1 00:00:12,970 --> 00:00:09,470 welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast 2 00:00:16,790 --> 00:00:12,980 from Australia for science and reason 3 00:00:20,659 --> 00:00:16,800 yuria hosts Richard Saunders and Stefan 4 00:00:25,529 --> 00:00:23,370 Richard good to see you you're back from 5 00:00:27,300 --> 00:00:25,539 10 i'm back i think i'm still on the 6 00:00:29,130 --> 00:00:27,310 plane sometimes but yes I'm back I'm 7 00:00:31,589 --> 00:00:29,140 back I went all the way over to Las 8 00:00:33,180 --> 00:00:31,599 Vegas for the amazing meeting seven oh 9 00:00:36,869 --> 00:00:33,190 goodness did you tell them did you go 10 00:00:38,250 --> 00:00:36,879 for our for four nights you must be you 11 00:00:39,899 --> 00:00:38,260 didn't have time to get jet lag yeah 12 00:00:41,490 --> 00:00:39,909 well I'll Sydney timing it I certainly 13 00:00:43,470 --> 00:00:41,500 got time to be jetlagged over there 14 00:00:46,439 --> 00:00:43,480 right but now you're all everything's ok 15 00:00:48,630 --> 00:00:46,449 I think so almost but what what an 16 00:00:51,689 --> 00:00:48,640 incredible time was Stefan Stefan Stefan 17 00:00:53,850 --> 00:00:51,699 you have to come ty m8 tonight in Las 18 00:00:55,950 --> 00:00:53,860 Vegas will I will I will I've got to 19 00:00:57,990 --> 00:00:55,960 come I now I get so caught up in all my 20 00:00:59,759 --> 00:00:58,000 day-to-day stuff as we all do I've got 21 00:01:02,820 --> 00:00:59,769 to do more skeptical what I've come with 22 00:01:05,609 --> 00:01:02,830 you fabulously amazingly fabulous their 23 00:01:07,980 --> 00:01:05,619 time it was met up all my old friends 24 00:01:10,469 --> 00:01:07,990 made lots of new friends and I really 25 00:01:12,179 --> 00:01:10,479 want to thank everybody who came up to 26 00:01:13,499 --> 00:01:12,189 me over the course of the amazing 27 00:01:15,030 --> 00:01:13,509 meeting and shook me by the hand said 28 00:01:17,819 --> 00:01:15,040 thank you for doing the podcast oh 29 00:01:20,100 --> 00:01:17,829 really it was so oh god you shake my 30 00:01:22,260 --> 00:01:20,110 hand now thank you sir you transferred 31 00:01:24,690 --> 00:01:22,270 always good vibes to be honest wonderful 32 00:01:26,459 --> 00:01:24,700 people I was so pleased that people are 33 00:01:27,749 --> 00:01:26,469 enjoy listening to the podcast nice yeah 34 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:27,759 I really like this something like that 35 00:01:33,059 --> 00:01:30,969 and people kept commenting about the 36 00:01:36,629 --> 00:01:33,069 music I did that I seriously it's not a 37 00:01:38,399 --> 00:01:36,639 theme song ah lovely in fact here we 38 00:01:40,830 --> 00:01:38,409 have a special little clip I'll play 39 00:01:42,859 --> 00:01:40,840 right now this is famous podcaster Brian 40 00:01:48,649 --> 00:01:42,869 Dunning from skip toid singing 41 00:01:53,099 --> 00:01:48,659 disgusting things I already know the 42 00:01:57,209 --> 00:01:53,109 miracle of technology so what do you 43 00:01:59,160 --> 00:01:57,219 reckon I i I'm flattered and blessed to 44 00:02:01,559 --> 00:01:59,170 have such such wonderful support that's 45 00:02:03,359 --> 00:02:01,569 lovely so what are we going to hear a 46 00:02:04,679 --> 00:02:03,369 lot about what happened is I feel like 47 00:02:06,330 --> 00:02:04,689 I've really missed out I tell you what 48 00:02:08,809 --> 00:02:06,340 this episode will be a special episode 49 00:02:10,859 --> 00:02:08,819 of little mini clips and interviews 50 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:10,869 snippets and little bits and pieces 51 00:02:14,820 --> 00:02:12,490 including the introduction talk from 52 00:02:16,140 --> 00:02:14,830 Phil Plait and james randi our little 53 00:02:17,990 --> 00:02:16,150 interviews with people like Garrett 54 00:02:21,630 --> 00:02:18,000 Colin you know from skeptic alla da 55 00:02:24,030 --> 00:02:21,640 Kovacs from the J rare for how good like 56 00:02:25,740 --> 00:02:24,040 everything and over the next few 57 00:02:28,020 --> 00:02:25,750 episodes as well we have a scene like 58 00:02:30,449 --> 00:02:28,030 really bigger more oh yeah things yeah 59 00:02:32,699 --> 00:02:30,459 so that's the first part of that at this 60 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:32,709 episode is little snippets followed by 61 00:02:38,940 --> 00:02:36,730 dr. Reggie reports hey I've favorite of 62 00:02:42,150 --> 00:02:38,950 everybody I think and that's followed by 63 00:02:44,220 --> 00:02:42,160 a think tank Las Vegas intake Las Vegas 64 00:02:46,350 --> 00:02:44,230 I gusano with the slot machines in the 65 00:02:48,270 --> 00:02:46,360 background similarly yeah lots of 66 00:02:49,530 --> 00:02:48,280 special guests and blow into people and 67 00:02:51,270 --> 00:02:49,540 lots of Australians over there actually 68 00:02:53,580 --> 00:02:51,280 you didn't see Penn & Teller at all did 69 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:53,590 you I did you didn't I didn't go and see 70 00:02:57,690 --> 00:02:55,090 the show but I said million I met up 71 00:02:58,979 --> 00:02:57,700 with them yet ah fabulous way did you 72 00:03:01,800 --> 00:02:58,989 eat get to you to view the middle I 73 00:03:03,930 --> 00:03:01,810 didn't know not Penn & Teller but we got 74 00:03:05,580 --> 00:03:03,940 father at least or something they're our 75 00:03:07,350 --> 00:03:05,590 best souvenirs and photos okay we want 76 00:03:09,300 --> 00:03:07,360 it with evidence with shipping to see 77 00:03:11,070 --> 00:03:09,310 the evidence that you met them but they 78 00:03:12,270 --> 00:03:11,080 don't leave me I'm sure there must be a 79 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:12,280 verdict I think there are photographs 80 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:14,050 that I've been pending the same around 81 00:03:19,140 --> 00:03:16,450 their legends but coming up as you said 82 00:03:21,180 --> 00:03:19,150 yes Iran sigep grain of salt Iran's 83 00:03:24,180 --> 00:03:21,190 again and I were very busy doing 84 00:03:26,699 --> 00:03:24,190 interviews we've got our adam savage 85 00:03:30,300 --> 00:03:26,709 from mythbusters coming up ah maybe next 86 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:30,310 week on absolutely we've got George Rab 87 00:03:34,470 --> 00:03:33,010 the map from geo podcast it's all just 88 00:03:36,630 --> 00:03:34,480 blockbuster stuff we've got a very 89 00:03:39,930 --> 00:03:36,640 famous skeptical magician Jamie and 90 00:03:42,449 --> 00:03:39,940 swiss and we've got legendary skeptical 91 00:03:44,340 --> 00:03:42,459 investigator Joe Nickell all coming up 92 00:03:46,590 --> 00:03:44,350 over the next few weeks our stay tuned 93 00:03:48,509 --> 00:03:46,600 to the skeptic zone you are in the zone 94 00:03:51,810 --> 00:03:48,519 right here should we just get on with it 95 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:51,820 I can't wait but before we do oh yes do 96 00:03:55,289 --> 00:03:53,410 it identity intro because I'm so 97 00:03:57,150 --> 00:03:55,299 exciting I know you just can't wait to 98 00:03:59,610 --> 00:03:57,160 hear this now i get 0 and here i got a 99 00:04:01,259 --> 00:03:59,620 quick quick plug for our good friends at 100 00:04:04,410 --> 00:04:01,269 the young australian skeptics if you 101 00:04:06,060 --> 00:04:04,420 want to write something for skeptics go 102 00:04:07,500 --> 00:04:06,070 to the website of the young australian 103 00:04:10,229 --> 00:04:07,510 skeptics they're interested in content 104 00:04:11,759 --> 00:04:10,239 great we can all help them out this is 105 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:11,769 my email just came through then I did 106 00:04:19,849 --> 00:04:15,250 the viewers it's very exciting to carry 107 00:04:22,529 --> 00:04:19,859 on oh it's a Penn & Teller right now oh 108 00:04:23,909 --> 00:04:22,539 also I've got this card and I think 109 00:04:25,650 --> 00:04:23,919 we'll be hearing about this more if you 110 00:04:27,779 --> 00:04:25,660 want to make yourself heard if you want 111 00:04:30,990 --> 00:04:27,789 to have something to say yeah one cast 112 00:04:32,700 --> 00:04:31,000 you can go to scout tog refers go com 113 00:04:35,610 --> 00:04:32,710 let me spell it out let me spell out 114 00:04:39,670 --> 00:04:35,620 sk-ii PT 115 00:04:42,399 --> 00:04:39,680 gr8 phe artists com skipped ographers 116 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:42,409 com interesting great so that's two want 117 00:04:47,020 --> 00:04:44,930 to actually put your own devices you got 118 00:04:48,399 --> 00:04:47,030 something to say not just something 119 00:04:50,020 --> 00:04:48,409 fried but something to say I think we'll 120 00:04:52,990 --> 00:04:50,030 be hearing more about those guys soon 121 00:04:54,700 --> 00:04:53,000 okay funny believe what I will display 122 00:04:57,279 --> 00:04:54,710 out of us I bought myself a copy of 123 00:05:00,100 --> 00:04:57,289 death from the skull plate looks very 124 00:05:02,260 --> 00:05:00,110 scary if I open up the cover it's been 125 00:05:03,939 --> 00:05:02,270 signed by what everybody just about 126 00:05:05,740 --> 00:05:03,949 everybody in the skeptical planet I 127 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:05,750 think you sign this michael shermer DJ 128 00:05:09,999 --> 00:05:08,090 Grothe George shrub brian dunning all of 129 00:05:11,830 --> 00:05:10,009 the skeptics guide to the universe and 130 00:05:14,559 --> 00:05:11,840 I'm actually wearing a shirt an awesome 131 00:05:18,100 --> 00:05:14,569 t-shirt as well you're gonna put this on 132 00:05:21,309 --> 00:05:18,110 ebay and making this 15 I have Derek 133 00:05:23,589 --> 00:05:21,319 Colin dunno Simon Singh are a hymen 134 00:05:25,659 --> 00:05:23,599 james randi Daniel Loxton joe nickell 135 00:05:27,820 --> 00:05:25,669 and of course Phil Plait your place all 136 00:05:31,119 --> 00:05:27,830 self signed this copy of the book aren't 137 00:05:33,790 --> 00:05:31,129 on ebay right now really it certainly is 138 00:05:35,230 --> 00:05:33,800 because a skeptic zone dr. H and I are 139 00:05:37,149 --> 00:05:35,240 going to Perth and we all right somebody 140 00:05:39,309 --> 00:05:37,159 had a razor razor man you have to cover 141 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:39,319 the hit I because this this skeptic zone 142 00:05:42,730 --> 00:05:41,330 years is not cheap it's not chip 143 00:05:44,290 --> 00:05:42,740 sometimes but we're going over there the 144 00:05:46,180 --> 00:05:44,300 talk and spread the skeptical message 145 00:05:48,459 --> 00:05:46,190 but we have to get there so if you go to 146 00:05:51,249 --> 00:05:48,469 ebay and i'll put a link on skeptic zone 147 00:05:54,070 --> 00:05:51,259 TV but if you go to ebay and search from 148 00:05:56,890 --> 00:05:54,080 for death from the sky is an autograph 149 00:05:59,140 --> 00:05:56,900 you'll find the this book yep this book 150 00:06:01,450 --> 00:05:59,150 came testing and Stefan let's not forget 151 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:01,460 I brought you a gift as a little badge 152 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:03,650 that says keep libel laws out of science 153 00:06:07,719 --> 00:06:05,810 all only think you're Emma Simon Singh 154 00:06:10,450 --> 00:06:07,729 I'm not I'll put that on my shirt right 155 00:06:12,790 --> 00:06:10,460 now thank you know from Fabulous Las 156 00:06:15,219 --> 00:06:12,800 Vegas yeah and we have a deck of casino 157 00:06:18,550 --> 00:06:15,229 playing cutter as played on the tables 158 00:06:20,890 --> 00:06:18,560 here ah dodgy as are they probably a 159 00:06:22,629 --> 00:06:20,900 difficult part and so on it's great 160 00:06:24,459 --> 00:06:22,639 thank you reach me I feel like I was 161 00:06:43,270 --> 00:06:24,469 there it's you will after you listen to 162 00:06:49,610 --> 00:06:46,520 the amazing meeting seventh was held at 163 00:06:54,070 --> 00:06:49,620 the south point casino and spa in las 164 00:06:57,500 --> 00:06:54,080 vegas nevada in july nine to 12 2009 the 165 00:07:00,230 --> 00:06:57,510 lineup included james randi phil plait 166 00:07:04,340 --> 00:07:00,240 Adam Savage Joe Nickell cannon tiller 167 00:07:06,830 --> 00:07:04,350 and many many more i arrived at Las 168 00:07:09,590 --> 00:07:06,840 Vegas Airport to be met by my old 169 00:07:11,990 --> 00:07:09,600 friends Scott and Susan Hearst they were 170 00:07:15,260 --> 00:07:12,000 a welcome sight after a sleepless flight 171 00:07:17,510 --> 00:07:15,270 from Australia after a nice hot shower I 172 00:07:20,570 --> 00:07:17,520 set out to explore the hotel only to 173 00:07:22,550 --> 00:07:20,580 bump it to James Randi himself he Phil 174 00:07:25,550 --> 00:07:22,560 Plait another's sat down with me for a 175 00:07:27,770 --> 00:07:25,560 chat and some lunch I can resist the 176 00:07:43,930 --> 00:07:27,780 temptation and often mr. Andy some 177 00:07:46,940 --> 00:07:43,940 Australian must accession oh good drew 178 00:07:49,850 --> 00:07:46,950 normally I'm Randy's food taster but 179 00:07:51,469 --> 00:07:49,860 even I draw the line at musc sticks so 180 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:51,479 Randy's on his own with this stuff it's 181 00:07:55,670 --> 00:07:53,130 Phil Plait lying for these teeth because 182 00:07:58,460 --> 00:07:55,680 he loves must equally it's true they're 183 00:08:01,670 --> 00:07:58,470 excellent you set them on fire to 184 00:08:04,070 --> 00:08:01,680 freshen the air they ward off evil 185 00:08:07,159 --> 00:08:04,080 spirits they keep deer from eating our 186 00:08:10,070 --> 00:08:07,169 garden garden vegetables so yeah it's 187 00:08:13,339 --> 00:08:10,080 actually I'm more of a minty guy got at 188 00:08:14,420 --> 00:08:13,349 mtm guys I brought you meet these and I 189 00:08:18,290 --> 00:08:14,430 do have something 190 00:08:21,170 --> 00:08:18,300 so that I remember was a damn fine what 191 00:08:23,450 --> 00:08:21,180 is this 17 so musket am for where I got 192 00:08:27,530 --> 00:08:23,460 9 kilos at Minton's from Australia did 193 00:08:29,060 --> 00:08:27,540 you not only nine kilos was awesome it 194 00:08:32,660 --> 00:08:29,070 would take you several hour to read all 195 00:08:39,950 --> 00:08:32,670 those oh they lasted for almost a year I 196 00:08:41,780 --> 00:08:39,960 love me to love the rest of the day was 197 00:08:44,300 --> 00:08:41,790 spent catching up with friends meeting 198 00:08:47,180 --> 00:08:44,310 new friends too and wandering around the 199 00:08:49,550 --> 00:08:47,190 massive casino and hotel the next 200 00:08:54,710 --> 00:08:49,560 morning I met up with Fred Bremer for 201 00:08:57,260 --> 00:08:54,720 some pancakes our breakfast in las vegas 202 00:09:00,050 --> 00:08:57,270 i love it and I'm sitting here with Fred 203 00:09:02,300 --> 00:09:00,060 Bremer from Vancouver hi Fred hello now 204 00:09:04,550 --> 00:09:02,310 you just showing me some photographs 205 00:09:06,740 --> 00:09:04,560 from something you did which I wish wish 206 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:06,750 I could have been there which was the 207 00:09:11,870 --> 00:09:09,210 Sasquatch shirt sort of adventure yes 208 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:11,880 the group of us from Vancouver skeptics 209 00:09:17,420 --> 00:09:14,850 in the pub went on a skeptical Sasquatch 210 00:09:18,830 --> 00:09:17,430 camping trip a few weeks ago in British 211 00:09:21,680 --> 00:09:18,840 Columbia there's a provincial park 212 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:21,690 called Sasquatch Provincial Park and a 213 00:09:26,630 --> 00:09:23,850 group of us drove up there a couple 214 00:09:30,260 --> 00:09:26,640 hours outside Vancouver and camped 215 00:09:33,590 --> 00:09:30,270 overnight by a small lake and we had our 216 00:09:35,930 --> 00:09:33,600 own mascot a little stuffed Sasquatch 217 00:09:38,810 --> 00:09:35,940 Mary is the stuff CSS what he looks 218 00:09:41,210 --> 00:09:38,820 great for the emmaus on yeah we had 219 00:09:43,010 --> 00:09:41,220 almost 20 of us camping overnight we had 220 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:43,020 beautiful weather until the morning when 221 00:09:46,430 --> 00:09:44,490 we had to tear down our tents in in a 222 00:09:48,190 --> 00:09:46,440 bit of rain but Oh everybody had a great 223 00:09:51,940 --> 00:09:48,200 time 224 00:09:54,010 --> 00:09:51,950 so Vancouver skeptics in the pub sounds 225 00:09:56,530 --> 00:09:54,020 like it's a good Bend ever it's going 226 00:09:58,600 --> 00:09:56,540 quite well yes we've our numbers keep 227 00:10:01,390 --> 00:09:58,610 growing we've had almost 50 people at an 228 00:10:03,370 --> 00:10:01,400 event so yeah I'm very happy with it and 229 00:10:05,290 --> 00:10:03,380 how could people find out about that if 230 00:10:07,450 --> 00:10:05,300 you go on facebook we have our page 231 00:10:09,700 --> 00:10:07,460 there to search for Vancouver skeptics 232 00:10:11,950 --> 00:10:09,710 in the pub and if you join the group 233 00:10:15,580 --> 00:10:11,960 then when we schedule our next event 234 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:15,590 will send out invitations and RSVP and 235 00:10:19,810 --> 00:10:18,050 we hope to see people come out thanks 236 00:10:24,130 --> 00:10:19,820 right let's let's eat our pancakes and 237 00:10:26,530 --> 00:10:24,140 just look through that a Kovacs is known 238 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:26,540 to many of you she works for the JREF 239 00:10:34,510 --> 00:10:29,090 and this year was her first time as one 240 00:10:36,610 --> 00:10:34,520 of the organizers of Tam so amazing 241 00:10:39,340 --> 00:10:36,620 meeting is sort of really underway isn't 242 00:10:41,050 --> 00:10:39,350 today I think so excited I am very 243 00:10:43,750 --> 00:10:41,060 excited about it I'm actually thrilled 244 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:43,760 at 20 here Hey look relieved and happy 245 00:10:49,060 --> 00:10:45,890 and just you can't wait yeah I can't 246 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:49,070 wait any other thing is via I have been 247 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:52,250 until this year just a guest and of the 248 00:10:56,020 --> 00:10:53,810 amazing meeting and now I work with the 249 00:10:58,780 --> 00:10:56,030 J rough and we always think that the 250 00:11:00,250 --> 00:10:58,790 team at the j ref works so hard no idea 251 00:11:03,300 --> 00:11:00,260 we've no idea how are they work it's 252 00:11:06,730 --> 00:11:03,310 crazy and everybody's thinking of one 253 00:11:08,380 --> 00:11:06,740 one or two or three of five different 254 00:11:09,490 --> 00:11:08,390 things that nobody else is thinking and 255 00:11:11,290 --> 00:11:09,500 everyone's coming to you to ask 256 00:11:14,980 --> 00:11:11,300 questions yeah and you only all you ever 257 00:11:16,300 --> 00:11:14,990 do is just try and keep up so I'm really 258 00:11:18,460 --> 00:11:16,310 thrilled to be here I'm really thrilled 259 00:11:22,150 --> 00:11:18,470 that it's almost all the prep is almost 260 00:11:24,860 --> 00:11:22,160 done that's it I guess I'm glad you're 261 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:24,870 here thank you thank you a thanks 262 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:30,450 busy voucher we now come to the first 263 00:11:35,090 --> 00:11:32,370 official night and the Welcome Dinner 264 00:11:37,579 --> 00:11:35,100 let's hear from our hosts how bid lack 265 00:11:40,730 --> 00:11:37,589 Phil Plait the president of the James 266 00:11:58,990 --> 00:11:40,740 Randi Educational Foundation and mr. 267 00:12:06,140 --> 00:11:59,000 Randy himself us like to welcome a 268 00:12:09,019 --> 00:12:06,150 28-day that's we have to get a whole 269 00:12:12,050 --> 00:12:09,029 bunch of different park saturday it's a 270 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:12,060 great way to be back at m7 SI somos a 271 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:13,290 little more tomorrow we just want to 272 00:12:17,060 --> 00:12:15,210 become feel welcome tonight and remember 273 00:12:18,829 --> 00:12:17,070 that were part of a larger community in 274 00:12:21,769 --> 00:12:18,839 friend so make sure you should answer a 275 00:12:24,530 --> 00:12:21,779 call to action and it was just some 276 00:12:27,019 --> 00:12:24,540 table to hear i want to news now just in 277 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:27,029 brief remarks is the president of the j 278 00:12:58,429 --> 00:12:56,869 thanks al well I asked me if I could 279 00:13:00,740 --> 00:12:58,439 make some comments and then said 280 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:00,750 everything I was going to say evoke a 281 00:13:08,569 --> 00:13:04,050 few skeptics so I think that that's it 282 00:13:10,490 --> 00:13:08,579 not for those of you could have been to 283 00:13:13,100 --> 00:13:10,500 tamp before you know what you're getting 284 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:13,110 into for those who haven't I'm sorry 285 00:13:24,199 --> 00:13:21,810 about how jokes limit this chair is a 286 00:13:26,269 --> 00:13:24,209 unique experience in San Francisco we're 287 00:13:28,999 --> 00:13:26,279 going to talk about this tomorrow what I 288 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:29,009 want to say is this reception is part 289 00:13:33,170 --> 00:13:30,689 and parcel of what we're about it's 290 00:13:36,350 --> 00:13:33,180 mingling it's having fun is laughing and 291 00:13:38,119 --> 00:13:36,360 it's being here together then tan we are 292 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:38,129 super super proud and this came up 293 00:13:43,550 --> 00:13:41,250 really organically of having our guests 294 00:13:45,619 --> 00:13:43,560 and everybody mingling everybody here is 295 00:13:47,629 --> 00:13:45,629 together to promote skepticism in 296 00:13:49,129 --> 00:13:47,639 critical thinking so I know some of you 297 00:13:51,079 --> 00:13:49,139 were shy you don't want to come up to 298 00:13:53,809 --> 00:13:51,089 people like like grand ears from some 299 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:53,819 folks walk up to us walk up to them walk 300 00:13:59,360 --> 00:13:56,730 to anybody and say hi we are a community 301 00:14:01,100 --> 00:13:59,370 here that is what the jailer has 302 00:14:05,019 --> 00:14:01,110 provided at the prosthetic system is our 303 00:14:07,790 --> 00:14:05,029 most important tool and an agreement to 304 00:14:09,980 --> 00:14:07,800 schedule some itself and is people's 305 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:09,990 ability to meet each other in people and 306 00:14:14,389 --> 00:14:11,970 build on each other's experience on skin 307 00:14:19,429 --> 00:14:14,399 have fun get out there it helps you be a 308 00:14:22,249 --> 00:14:19,439 little bit to drink also raise money for 309 00:14:24,470 --> 00:14:22,259 the giraffe you know if they see so many 310 00:14:26,929 --> 00:14:24,480 person right foot boat feel free to buy 311 00:14:29,629 --> 00:14:26,939 eight or nine copies and topographic 312 00:14:32,809 --> 00:14:29,639 anything like that and let me add to 313 00:14:35,809 --> 00:14:32,819 that at six o'clock in the poke room is 314 00:14:39,889 --> 00:14:35,819 the airport favorite overturning you can 315 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:39,899 just give me a running a solenoid I tend 316 00:14:48,740 --> 00:14:44,610 to lose with a carrot and I just been 317 00:14:50,059 --> 00:14:48,750 informed yes and the magic show is on 318 00:14:54,860 --> 00:14:50,069 the other side of this wall at eight 319 00:14:57,590 --> 00:14:54,870 o'clock and so that's going to be great 320 00:14:59,150 --> 00:14:57,600 so have fun and I think that's the most 321 00:15:10,840 --> 00:14:59,160 important thing about this whole weekend 322 00:15:10,850 --> 00:15:25,220 Randy 323 00:15:31,259 --> 00:15:28,409 thank you very very much in dania from 324 00:15:33,329 --> 00:15:31,269 are becoming every minute I can't 325 00:15:36,030 --> 00:15:33,339 express my gratitude you're showing up 326 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:36,040 it's good to see all of you and you're 327 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:39,850 not in too big to touch the flesh I want 328 00:15:45,359 --> 00:15:41,970 to catch other let alone transmission 329 00:15:52,409 --> 00:15:45,369 I've got to be transferred so rich 330 00:15:54,059 --> 00:15:52,419 widows proper documentation first so I 331 00:15:56,900 --> 00:15:54,069 mean is Agathe thank you for being here 332 00:16:15,870 --> 00:15:56,910 this where the Wonder Robin by you and 333 00:16:22,170 --> 00:16:18,090 i'm here with how big black who's out 334 00:16:24,330 --> 00:16:22,180 coached just host today how are you 335 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:24,340 today and I wasn't too bad for a guy 336 00:16:28,050 --> 00:16:26,050 from Colorado it wasn't too bad at all 337 00:16:29,610 --> 00:16:28,060 that's all I know with it something 338 00:16:33,330 --> 00:16:29,620 about a bday and then that's it I don't 339 00:16:35,010 --> 00:16:33,340 know every day I see so we just had the 340 00:16:36,330 --> 00:16:35,020 pleasure of having a changed man 341 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:36,340 becoming guru but what was the name 342 00:16:43,110 --> 00:16:41,410 again the amazing want to turn out look 343 00:16:44,610 --> 00:16:43,120 at this how I mean there's a sea of 344 00:16:47,130 --> 00:16:44,620 people right to the other end of the 345 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:47,140 room thousand plus 1,000 people all the 346 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:48,730 people now gathered around James Randi 347 00:16:52,110 --> 00:16:50,530 madly taking photographs and everything 348 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:52,120 one guy took his wallet it's a touching 349 00:16:57,590 --> 00:16:56,050 soon it's very touching and it's so nice 350 00:16:59,550 --> 00:16:57,600 that Randy could be here once again 351 00:17:00,870 --> 00:16:59,560 absolutely indeed the amazing meeting 352 00:17:04,470 --> 00:17:00,880 without the amazing Randi would just 353 00:17:05,939 --> 00:17:04,480 feed the meeting that's right it's duly 354 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:05,949 good it'd be good but it wouldn't be 355 00:17:10,050 --> 00:17:08,290 quite as a ready Baeza so this year it 356 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:10,060 truly is amazing and we're so pleased 357 00:17:13,079 --> 00:17:12,010 that you're you yourself I hate to say 358 00:17:16,079 --> 00:17:13,089 nice things about you on your own 359 00:17:17,340 --> 00:17:16,089 podcast but here are you can it's okay 360 00:17:19,949 --> 00:17:17,350 well I'm sure this will be edited 361 00:17:21,390 --> 00:17:19,959 cleverly I hate to say video we've been 362 00:17:22,949 --> 00:17:21,400 friends a while you're the remarkable 363 00:17:25,170 --> 00:17:22,959 talent you're a very important skeptic 364 00:17:26,699 --> 00:17:25,180 what you do down under is so important 365 00:17:28,770 --> 00:17:26,709 and we're so glad you would travel all 366 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:28,780 this distance to be with us in and I've 367 00:17:32,190 --> 00:17:30,610 met at least the other Australian I 368 00:17:33,900 --> 00:17:32,200 suspect we have even more oh yeah 369 00:17:36,150 --> 00:17:33,910 there's a room out there full of them 370 00:17:37,830 --> 00:17:36,160 you have silver I option and we're just 371 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:37,840 delighted you're here and it wouldn't be 372 00:17:43,509 --> 00:17:39,490 tan without shipping thank you how thank 373 00:17:48,139 --> 00:17:46,549 the next morning more than 1,000 people 374 00:17:50,990 --> 00:17:48,149 took their seats in the grand ballroom 375 00:17:54,049 --> 00:17:51,000 for the first session of the amazing 376 00:18:04,399 --> 00:17:54,059 meeting again let's hear from how Phil 377 00:18:06,909 --> 00:18:04,409 and mr. Andy excellent family battles 378 00:18:09,940 --> 00:18:06,919 flights of fancy search the world over 379 00:18:13,009 --> 00:18:09,950 you sleepin on constant movement 380 00:18:16,970 --> 00:18:13,019 clarinex felt ignored is a popular 381 00:18:18,950 --> 00:18:16,980 author in train science education and 382 00:18:22,850 --> 00:18:18,960 science of general the clarity of vision 383 00:18:25,460 --> 00:18:22,860 I had not seen since Carl Sagan James 384 00:18:28,999 --> 00:18:25,470 Randy's purposes teal a mysterious 385 00:18:31,730 --> 00:18:29,009 lyrics for the world journal in position 386 00:18:35,060 --> 00:18:31,740 and protected s bogom some saturdays a 387 00:18:37,669 --> 00:18:35,070 new position to determine the edge of 388 00:18:39,499 --> 00:18:37,679 darkness versus an epithet miss you in 389 00:18:42,710 --> 00:18:39,509 the proper direction does it ever be 390 00:18:44,690 --> 00:18:42,720 he's imagining the conference it's 391 00:18:47,389 --> 00:18:44,700 whining on who's raining probably tool 392 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:47,399 and a television he live he also told me 393 00:18:54,779 --> 00:18:53,610 I had a great teacher of Santa and like 394 00:18:57,640 --> 00:18:54,789 many designs 395 00:19:00,100 --> 00:18:57,650 the books these world-famous for his 396 00:19:02,710 --> 00:19:00,110 presentation skills and for his life's 397 00:19:04,930 --> 00:19:02,720 work as a bright light chain of the dark 398 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:04,940 corners of our world but not something 399 00:19:09,220 --> 00:19:06,890 common rule he is simply the most 400 00:19:10,750 --> 00:19:09,230 important skeptic in the world today and 401 00:19:32,810 --> 00:19:10,760 these are mobile so please welcome the 402 00:19:40,279 --> 00:19:36,740 oh all these people at this place goes 403 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:40,289 way back in business I guess how can we 404 00:19:45,259 --> 00:19:42,090 tall like our self working on the podium 405 00:19:46,759 --> 00:19:45,269 there I was just told by one of our 406 00:19:48,830 --> 00:19:46,769 speakers that anything said an 407 00:19:52,730 --> 00:19:48,840 introduction is true so I can't deny how 408 00:19:56,990 --> 00:19:52,740 I said except none of the jokes about 409 00:19:58,759 --> 00:19:57,000 the animal I suppose this is this is 410 00:20:00,430 --> 00:19:58,769 actually our eighth 10 I hate to 411 00:20:03,019 --> 00:20:00,440 contradict out but we did have a 412 00:20:06,259 --> 00:20:03,029 actually and that's alive so I guess not 413 00:20:08,509 --> 00:20:06,269 donate this mystery we did have 414 00:20:11,090 --> 00:20:08,519 intermediate santan 5.5 a few years ago 415 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:11,100 and how many people have been to every 416 00:20:16,879 --> 00:20:14,970 single meeting here I say anything away 417 00:20:19,129 --> 00:20:16,889 that has forces elite are there and I'm 418 00:20:22,009 --> 00:20:19,139 like shiny massage this one you know a 419 00:20:24,769 --> 00:20:22,019 few of you that's that's very cool then 420 00:20:28,129 --> 00:20:24,779 these have been astonishing series of 421 00:20:29,899 --> 00:20:28,139 meetings where it started off to be 422 00:20:34,430 --> 00:20:29,909 decently a couple hundred people and now 423 00:20:36,049 --> 00:20:34,440 we have a few more I just I'd love to 424 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:36,059 talk so much about all this because it's 425 00:20:41,419 --> 00:20:38,490 been so much but you didn't pay to 426 00:20:45,259 --> 00:20:41,429 listen to me talk did you you got 427 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:45,269 screwed I'm gonna let me come up here 428 00:20:49,669 --> 00:20:47,250 and really open conference for sure I 429 00:20:52,639 --> 00:20:49,679 want to say that we're here really for 430 00:20:54,230 --> 00:20:52,649 three reasons we're hearing great 431 00:20:55,909 --> 00:20:54,240 speakers of course we always have died 432 00:20:58,820 --> 00:20:55,919 many blind speakers and this year is no 433 00:21:00,200 --> 00:20:58,830 exception of very excited about every 434 00:21:02,450 --> 00:21:00,210 every single person is going to be up 435 00:21:04,700 --> 00:21:02,460 here and some of the real friends some 436 00:21:07,190 --> 00:21:04,710 overdue friends but they all have very 437 00:21:09,379 --> 00:21:07,200 very interesting things to say about the 438 00:21:11,659 --> 00:21:09,389 reasons that we're here today another 439 00:21:14,450 --> 00:21:11,669 reason we're here of course is to see 440 00:21:15,360 --> 00:21:14,460 Randy there's if there's one major 441 00:21:19,980 --> 00:21:15,370 reason 442 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:19,990 it's because of rain is we're here 443 00:21:24,750 --> 00:21:22,090 because he helped start the modern 444 00:21:27,030 --> 00:21:24,760 skeptical woman is still a force of 445 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:27,040 nature in a modest kept government and 446 00:21:33,990 --> 00:21:30,730 it is his face man so that that's where 447 00:21:36,450 --> 00:21:34,000 I guess right here but if that's why 448 00:21:38,910 --> 00:21:36,460 you're riginal tams through so much 449 00:21:40,740 --> 00:21:38,920 there's another reason why there are so 450 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:40,750 many people here is because there are so 451 00:21:44,850 --> 00:21:43,090 many people here it's all as a 452 00:21:46,890 --> 00:21:44,860 self-fulfilling prophecy I've use that 453 00:21:50,250 --> 00:21:46,900 word there are a lot of people here 454 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:50,260 because of the community at some point a 455 00:21:55,919 --> 00:21:53,170 few years ago this community of skeptics 456 00:21:58,830 --> 00:21:55,929 reached a critical mass and this 457 00:22:00,360 --> 00:21:58,840 grassroots movement itself became the 458 00:22:02,549 --> 00:22:00,370 mainstream skeptical movement uh huh 459 00:22:05,070 --> 00:22:02,559 sure exactly how it happens when when 460 00:22:08,010 --> 00:22:05,080 something becomes a self-drive industry 461 00:22:10,230 --> 00:22:08,020 but we are here because of each other 462 00:22:11,970 --> 00:22:10,240 because of the community and there are 463 00:22:12,990 --> 00:22:11,980 there a lot of expendable person country 464 00:22:17,100 --> 00:22:13,000 and they all be different things and 465 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:17,110 they'll do very well but somehow the jf 466 00:22:24,030 --> 00:22:20,290 began the touchstone for the people who 467 00:22:25,860 --> 00:22:24,040 sells and as that's how so sir well good 468 00:22:28,980 --> 00:22:25,870 with with reading song with with robert 469 00:22:32,190 --> 00:22:28,990 lancaster people just say hey I can do 470 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:32,200 this I mean sa decision ears Garza I 471 00:22:36,660 --> 00:22:34,690 think I can sit down and then debug ye 472 00:22:40,290 --> 00:22:36,670 egg stand on and on the first spring 473 00:22:42,090 --> 00:22:40,300 come on right and so it's in all of it 474 00:22:44,310 --> 00:22:42,100 if I think that I'm not only this kind 475 00:22:46,799 --> 00:22:44,320 of line if I can do that everybody can 476 00:22:48,210 --> 00:22:46,809 do it in one person at a time we now 477 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:48,220 have so many people in this movement 478 00:22:54,870 --> 00:22:50,410 doing so many good things cover so much 479 00:22:58,080 --> 00:22:54,880 ground and speaking of that us that's 480 00:23:00,720 --> 00:22:58,090 why we are here it is how said we may 481 00:23:03,030 --> 00:23:00,730 disagree on religion we may disagree on 482 00:23:04,770 --> 00:23:03,040 politics I'll guarantee you that we may 483 00:23:07,710 --> 00:23:04,780 even disagree on our exist 484 00:23:10,770 --> 00:23:07,720 existence of UFOs but we all agree on 485 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:10,780 how to disagree we all agree on how to 486 00:23:15,420 --> 00:23:13,330 decide whether agree disagree and we're 487 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:15,430 all going to agree on how do we reach 488 00:23:19,740 --> 00:23:17,650 those conclusions that's the rationale 489 00:23:22,500 --> 00:23:19,750 front thought that's your skepticism 490 00:23:24,660 --> 00:23:22,510 critical thinking and hopefully the lack 491 00:23:26,790 --> 00:23:24,670 of logical fallacies that we see out 492 00:23:28,740 --> 00:23:26,800 there so much and it's those logical 493 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:28,750 fallacies that we are here to try to 494 00:23:32,460 --> 00:23:30,250 minimize it something you know either 495 00:23:34,470 --> 00:23:32,470 leaves rate and rhythm as long as we 496 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:34,480 have squishy grave all brains my head 497 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:36,010 we're never going to totally get ready 498 00:23:40,470 --> 00:23:38,770 sent but there are ways to minimize one 499 00:23:42,390 --> 00:23:40,480 of them for example is through the 500 00:23:44,130 --> 00:23:42,400 million dollar challenge and that is 501 00:23:45,390 --> 00:23:44,140 something that many of you attend the 502 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:45,400 workshop yesterday with Jeff Kennett 503 00:23:49,770 --> 00:23:47,410 analysis Smith is a great workshop on 504 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:49,780 how to make up childhood we're going to 505 00:23:54,060 --> 00:23:51,610 have Lyme million dollar challenge here 506 00:23:55,500 --> 00:23:54,070 on Sunday executive and that's so 507 00:23:57,290 --> 00:23:55,510 there's some information in your packet 508 00:23:59,670 --> 00:23:57,300 about that I would urge you to read it 509 00:24:01,380 --> 00:23:59,680 because we have some rules about that 510 00:24:02,580 --> 00:24:01,390 because you do not know this is 511 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:02,590 something that's been set up for many 512 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:04,930 years that if you can prove some sort of 513 00:24:08,850 --> 00:24:06,850 psychic claims is our paranormal plan 514 00:24:13,590 --> 00:24:08,860 that we would get two million dollars 515 00:24:15,390 --> 00:24:13,600 now that easy I kind of have to prove it 516 00:24:18,210 --> 00:24:15,400 a true and statistically or at least 517 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:18,220 show us that by random chance would be 518 00:24:25,260 --> 00:24:20,050 highly highly unlikely to what you've 519 00:24:26,940 --> 00:24:25,270 done is is not at least non-psychic 520 00:24:30,810 --> 00:24:26,950 drive them negatives in their job well 521 00:24:33,120 --> 00:24:30,820 done about a year ago you're gonna have 522 00:24:34,590 --> 00:24:33,130 to go we decided that really don't 523 00:24:36,690 --> 00:24:34,600 challenge was starting to become a bit 524 00:24:38,550 --> 00:24:36,700 of an albatross we have so many people 525 00:24:41,030 --> 00:24:38,560 trying to take take take on the 526 00:24:44,790 --> 00:24:41,040 challenge so many of these claims are 527 00:24:47,130 --> 00:24:44,800 difficult to understand it's actually 528 00:24:49,410 --> 00:24:47,140 hard to say for somebody is as cheap 529 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:49,420 pointed out yesterday workshop if 530 00:24:54,570 --> 00:24:52,690 somebody says I can predict a card off 531 00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:54,580 the top of the deck fifty percent of the 532 00:24:58,320 --> 00:24:57,490 time you they never seen that they sort 533 00:25:00,180 --> 00:24:58,330 of trying to make 534 00:25:01,769 --> 00:25:00,190 they never get a number they never say 535 00:25:04,740 --> 00:25:01,779 exactly what they can do and so it's a 536 00:25:06,870 --> 00:25:04,750 huge drain on our staff time and our 537 00:25:10,470 --> 00:25:06,880 staff energy to have to process all of 538 00:25:11,909 --> 00:25:10,480 these applicants so we decided to 539 00:25:13,889 --> 00:25:11,919 withdraw the million-dollar challenge we 540 00:25:16,529 --> 00:25:13,899 figured its job is basically them done 541 00:25:18,450 --> 00:25:16,539 and we're going to discontinue it well 542 00:25:20,310 --> 00:25:18,460 after talking with Randy and some other 543 00:25:23,070 --> 00:25:20,320 people I have been given permission to 544 00:25:31,430 --> 00:25:23,080 stay here today that that is no longer 545 00:25:35,990 --> 00:25:33,320 I'm really happy about this the 546 00:25:38,659 --> 00:25:36,000 million-dollar challenge is a hammer and 547 00:25:40,279 --> 00:25:38,669 it is and we know you know I'm saying is 548 00:25:44,659 --> 00:25:40,289 when you have a hammer everything's 549 00:25:46,789 --> 00:25:44,669 avail the million-dollar challenge is an 550 00:25:50,210 --> 00:25:46,799 excellent tool to show the press and the 551 00:25:52,129 --> 00:25:50,220 show the public that not necessarily the 552 00:25:53,360 --> 00:25:52,139 psychic powers do not exist but then 553 00:25:55,789 --> 00:25:53,370 most people who are claiming to have 554 00:25:57,590 --> 00:25:55,799 psychic powers are incorrect and this 555 00:25:59,180 --> 00:25:57,600 will continue now I'm not going to say 556 00:26:01,700 --> 00:25:59,190 how is going to do because we're not 557 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:01,710 sure we're looking into investing we're 558 00:26:04,759 --> 00:26:03,090 trying to figure out a way to do this to 559 00:26:07,399 --> 00:26:04,769 bring it into the 21st century kicking 560 00:26:09,980 --> 00:26:07,409 and screaming so that it streamlines the 561 00:26:12,919 --> 00:26:09,990 process makes it more efficient and that 562 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:12,929 we can use it in a way to even broaden 563 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:14,850 what it's already been doing it and that 564 00:26:21,139 --> 00:26:17,730 is to show people the world for the way 565 00:26:24,649 --> 00:26:21,149 it is and that is real rational and and 566 00:26:26,090 --> 00:26:24,659 if I'm a scientific so I'm really really 567 00:26:28,249 --> 00:26:26,100 glad about that we talked a little bit 568 00:26:33,019 --> 00:26:28,259 about the more on that favorite thank 569 00:26:35,450 --> 00:26:33,029 you so enough enough about about me and 570 00:26:37,369 --> 00:26:35,460 from me you're here to see Randy and I 571 00:26:39,409 --> 00:26:37,379 want to let him close us out and let me 572 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:39,419 say that I love being able to do this 573 00:26:42,860 --> 00:26:41,610 sometimes a quote from a book I've read 574 00:26:45,169 --> 00:26:42,870 a couple of times I hope many of you 575 00:26:46,549 --> 00:26:45,179 have as well somebody about this meeting 576 00:26:48,649 --> 00:26:46,559 with our speakers talking all these 577 00:26:49,850 --> 00:26:48,659 diverse subjects some of which you may 578 00:26:51,529 --> 00:26:49,860 know about some ways you know you're 579 00:26:52,909 --> 00:26:51,539 guaranteed to learn about a lot of 580 00:26:54,799 --> 00:26:52,919 different things here over the next 581 00:26:56,629 --> 00:26:54,809 couple of days all of them have 582 00:26:58,129 --> 00:26:56,639 something in common that is weight 583 00:27:01,310 --> 00:26:58,139 whether it's about optical illusions or 584 00:27:04,129 --> 00:27:01,320 science or geekery or skepticism or win 585 00:27:06,919 --> 00:27:04,139 we're all about the critical thinking 586 00:27:10,249 --> 00:27:06,929 we're all about seeing through the fog 587 00:27:12,470 --> 00:27:10,259 and seeing what's real and so let me say 588 00:27:14,779 --> 00:27:12,480 that you should let the scales fall from 589 00:27:17,360 --> 00:27:14,789 your eyes because the truth shall set 590 00:27:19,430 --> 00:27:17,370 you free and here is a man who has been 591 00:28:00,070 --> 00:27:19,440 doing that for a long long time and that 592 00:28:12,890 --> 00:28:09,110 regional apertures in Florida have 593 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:12,900 they're used for different purposes some 594 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:15,890 of our birth mothers as security stuff 595 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:18,570 that's what we want any photographic you 596 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:23,010 would get pretty serious dr. keeping it 597 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:27,210 hurts and things like that this is by a 598 00:28:34,580 --> 00:28:31,290 t-shirt on both you haven't seen this 599 00:28:40,039 --> 00:28:34,590 product of expertise and Patrick and the 600 00:28:42,140 --> 00:28:40,049 hazing doing extremely proud and humbled 601 00:28:45,950 --> 00:28:42,150 by the fact all of you folks showing up 602 00:28:50,210 --> 00:28:45,960 here here what we all we have to say or 603 00:28:53,330 --> 00:28:50,220 the schedule I want to thank how about 604 00:28:57,140 --> 00:28:53,340 the remote / beach already 605 00:28:59,150 --> 00:28:57,150 I tell me thanks most of the people but 606 00:29:03,830 --> 00:28:59,160 I move to thank you to what I'm going to 607 00:29:06,830 --> 00:29:03,840 break people rated saw record Jeremiah 608 00:29:10,460 --> 00:29:06,840 and repeated is coming over the years if 609 00:29:13,340 --> 00:29:10,470 not amazed at the city grow through this 610 00:29:16,670 --> 00:29:13,350 annual event we are appropriately 611 00:29:21,500 --> 00:29:16,680 grateful for your presence here but I 612 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:21,510 must explain my son subdued occurs this 613 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:27,090 is why I also say a t-bar curator 23 of 614 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:29,610 your routine that an examination or a 615 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:32,010 month ago who's discovery that I had and 616 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:35,010 that's the visitor inside of me very 617 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:36,690 stunning example of intelligent design 618 00:29:43,850 --> 00:29:41,490 report why not going in that may be 619 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:43,860 moved it I think it will be up again 620 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:46,170 I'll be pretty through our combo box yet 621 00:29:51,020 --> 00:29:48,450 but I assure you that I'm fighting this 622 00:29:53,270 --> 00:29:51,030 thing with the very best technical help 623 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:53,280 I'm on an all shy on the brisket 624 00:29:57,590 --> 00:29:55,770 technology I'll be able to keep up with 625 00:30:00,650 --> 00:29:57,600 my regular duties as the treatment 626 00:30:03,170 --> 00:30:00,660 proceedings this is the reason that you 627 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:03,180 have not seen any recent videos from me 628 00:30:08,890 --> 00:30:05,730 of course I'm very fortunate that good 629 00:30:12,170 --> 00:30:08,900 friends like Phil Plait that bastrop 630 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:12,180 along with the ever present ever 631 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:15,210 diligent and very Pierce with Michelle 632 00:30:19,650 --> 00:30:18,210 over the back here they stepped in to 633 00:30:22,590 --> 00:30:19,660 manage and her such 634 00:30:30,450 --> 00:30:22,600 the camps and I think the results speak 635 00:30:36,420 --> 00:30:34,200 I will say the public responded by Otis 636 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:36,430 has been very generous and flattering 637 00:30:41,970 --> 00:30:39,010 I've got all the war America stop 638 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:41,980 important our work is and I tend to stay 639 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:43,570 around a long time because I've got a 640 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:46,690 lot to do by ptosis is good even though 641 00:30:51,180 --> 00:30:48,370 I decided to go along with this whole 642 00:30:53,430 --> 00:30:51,190 fashion than my car oh yes Orthodox 643 00:30:55,860 --> 00:30:53,440 medicine and I'm coming back on the 644 00:31:01,740 --> 00:30:55,870 birds and fake doing and opting for a 645 00:31:03,570 --> 00:31:01,750 minimal voodoo ceremony tomorrow I have 646 00:31:05,870 --> 00:31:03,580 to make a special cocktail when 647 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:05,880 considering the eyes right down here 648 00:31:18,989 --> 00:31:08,650 thought of that genre my personal 649 00:31:22,869 --> 00:31:21,340 these numbers her she was home on the 650 00:31:26,049 --> 00:31:22,879 other side of the road before resuming 651 00:31:28,450 --> 00:31:26,059 his interrupted academic studies once 652 00:31:30,460 --> 00:31:28,460 more I evening are the opportunity of 653 00:31:33,549 --> 00:31:30,470 meeting his folks or with us here at cam 654 00:31:36,159 --> 00:31:33,559 to our brief delay Sean took out a whole 655 00:31:38,590 --> 00:31:36,169 year to serve as the data resident 656 00:31:41,799 --> 00:31:38,600 injured I'm very grateful to for his 657 00:31:45,419 --> 00:31:41,809 most excellent excellent attendance on I 658 00:31:50,169 --> 00:31:45,429 eat and I reckon to see them go further 659 00:31:52,359 --> 00:31:50,179 Sean thank you John will be response for 660 00:31:54,489 --> 00:31:52,369 I think by Brandon Tate dork who now 661 00:31:58,029 --> 00:31:54,499 takes on the job of saving me from at 662 00:32:00,580 --> 00:31:58,039 least some of our readers hair and then 663 00:32:03,220 --> 00:32:00,590 would look special harder I want to 664 00:32:10,810 --> 00:32:03,230 thank Tim against West as you saw i hate 665 00:32:12,820 --> 00:32:10,820 was that shop after months today with 666 00:32:15,729 --> 00:32:12,830 Jamie what should be a very Henderson 667 00:32:19,570 --> 00:32:15,739 impressed embarrassing discussion he's 668 00:32:33,019 --> 00:32:19,580 got some old videos all but okay 669 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:33,029 93 collapse be down there a Berber 670 00:32:37,610 --> 00:32:35,130 perfect again Natalie trust 671 00:32:39,649 --> 00:32:37,620 relationships for us is a better audio 672 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:39,659 skype and we thank you very much get 673 00:32:48,860 --> 00:32:42,090 away is the jdub location I'm going to 674 00:32:52,820 --> 00:32:48,870 give manager is you know and then we 675 00:32:54,950 --> 00:32:52,830 have two very gentle Iranian folks on 676 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:54,960 that today respond to although I'm 677 00:33:03,160 --> 00:32:56,970 station which room manning the video 678 00:33:08,750 --> 00:33:06,380 Ellen Smith who manages the rule happen 679 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:08,760 for us there is a gargantuan job right 680 00:33:13,820 --> 00:33:11,730 there and exchanging all kinds of 681 00:33:17,630 --> 00:33:13,830 information would be very strange people 682 00:33:20,300 --> 00:33:17,640 and them are very trying to friend 683 00:33:23,060 --> 00:33:20,310 lieutenant colonel help it by the first 684 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:23,070 it's always good to see that facial I'm 685 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:25,170 walking below these techniques I look 686 00:33:37,820 --> 00:33:27,330 around as soon as I see Ali everything 687 00:33:40,310 --> 00:33:37,830 okay Cal sure back it up in charge of 688 00:33:43,190 --> 00:33:40,320 the jera scholarship oh then add the 689 00:33:46,310 --> 00:33:43,200 coolest thoughts yes two important Scott 690 00:33:48,890 --> 00:33:46,320 Scott Morrison is not here yet but he is 691 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:48,900 a former editor of ami magazine a very 692 00:33:54,530 --> 00:33:52,050 capable supporter 2jf at my effort that 693 00:34:00,740 --> 00:33:54,540 name moved to go in that position many 694 00:34:03,170 --> 00:34:00,750 many moons ago and Stassi volunteer 695 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:03,180 question you see the dress shirts with 696 00:34:07,850 --> 00:34:05,610 the floral aroma folks ask any of these 697 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:07,860 folks any question at all they will have 698 00:34:18,100 --> 00:34:10,650 you are the volunteer staff we could do 699 00:34:28,700 --> 00:34:24,649 at last night I was through the compound 700 00:34:32,510 --> 00:34:28,710 the fact that Bob Manchester Sylvia 701 00:34:34,100 --> 00:34:32,520 Browne nemesis is here with us and he's 702 00:34:37,460 --> 00:34:34,110 looking greater than I thought he would 703 00:34:48,839 --> 00:34:37,470 he is making a great recovery so happy 704 00:34:53,799 --> 00:34:51,909 that's not expect over an hour something 705 00:34:56,379 --> 00:34:53,809 in my room privately the one of the 706 00:34:59,559 --> 00:34:56,389 original founders of psych up professor 707 00:35:02,589 --> 00:34:59,569 ray hyman from Oregon Oregon I safe 708 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:02,599 pardon me Raymond I hadn't seen him in 709 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:04,970 many many years and he had a log-log 710 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:07,970 very very productive chat I must say 711 00:35:12,249 --> 00:35:10,130 that was very welcome and we have 712 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:12,259 volunteer head bear witness to adventure 713 00:35:17,109 --> 00:35:14,690 greed is he he is our grf merchandising 714 00:35:20,170 --> 00:35:17,119 under supervision and of course the 715 00:35:22,390 --> 00:35:20,180 inescapable Carl chum burger again 716 00:35:24,609 --> 00:35:22,400 Hannah member venoth and what town could 717 00:35:31,549 --> 00:35:24,619 be complete without Michael Shermer and 718 00:35:37,170 --> 00:35:35,190 constant clicking wherever you go that 719 00:35:40,020 --> 00:35:37,180 thing he will be talking from stalkers 720 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:40,030 who has huge miles of Taliban's and I'm 721 00:35:46,710 --> 00:35:42,130 told can't we talk to him to sharing it 722 00:35:48,390 --> 00:35:46,720 so latch onto and Haskell love it Jose 723 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:48,400 elkridge the artist who created the 724 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:51,490 famous Carlos character for us in 1988 725 00:36:01,730 --> 00:35:53,770 in Australia and whose effects are still 726 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:05,160 unequal see buddy Richard Saunders beef 727 00:36:09,720 --> 00:36:07,690 origami mastered it will fold almost any 728 00:36:13,230 --> 00:36:09,730 bad things with a fantastic character at 729 00:36:16,230 --> 00:36:13,240 the slightest hint so do get open him 730 00:36:19,579 --> 00:36:16,240 and Google Rahal as much more hurt into 731 00:36:22,349 --> 00:36:19,589 scientific papers enters into the corral 732 00:36:24,660 --> 00:36:22,359 patterns are our most excellent French 733 00:36:26,670 --> 00:36:24,670 magician Matt Cain who you saw last 734 00:36:29,609 --> 00:36:26,680 night and the brilliant bad check as 735 00:36:33,630 --> 00:36:29,619 well are also on board as usual to our 736 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:33,640 great to life ladies and gentlemen our 737 00:36:39,809 --> 00:36:36,490 present registration for town as of this 738 00:36:51,569 --> 00:36:39,819 moment there are one thousand and seven 739 00:36:57,730 --> 00:36:54,790 as the vehicles on that number is going 740 00:37:01,390 --> 00:36:57,740 to grow because ribbon hazard n all 741 00:37:04,569 --> 00:37:01,400 voice under credit very impressive that 742 00:37:06,910 --> 00:37:04,579 is totally and it's already starting to 743 00:37:09,099 --> 00:37:06,920 increase over one thousand seven who 744 00:37:11,140 --> 00:37:09,109 knows what it will jump you but please 745 00:37:14,290 --> 00:37:11,150 consider something that figure is a 746 00:37:17,290 --> 00:37:14,300 tribute to the J respect who worked so 747 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:17,300 long and hard for 12 months to get this 748 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:21,050 all together and three days from now it 749 00:37:26,290 --> 00:37:22,970 will be sending in to figure out of this 750 00:37:29,859 --> 00:37:26,300 tab page take Wayne while being diverted 751 00:37:31,390 --> 00:37:29,869 into town mother our very first cam off 752 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:31,400 this continent which is already 753 00:37:36,309 --> 00:37:33,650 oversubscribed cults of those over 754 00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:36,319 subscribe within the first hour of going 755 00:37:48,940 --> 00:37:46,660 haider problem a sort of a welcome 756 00:37:50,740 --> 00:37:48,950 problem of sticky bun is that the 757 00:37:53,380 --> 00:37:50,750 Europeans kept you for trying to squeeze 758 00:37:55,599 --> 00:37:53,390 in whatever they can because they went 759 00:37:57,130 --> 00:37:55,609 up an hour later in Europe and say they 760 00:37:59,020 --> 00:37:57,140 missed out on the first hour when 761 00:38:00,700 --> 00:37:59,030 everything with all the soul about but 762 00:38:03,310 --> 00:38:00,710 we're trying to make accommodations for 763 00:38:09,590 --> 00:38:03,320 them we must be doing something right 764 00:38:15,210 --> 00:38:11,970 please both very very attendance here 765 00:38:18,660 --> 00:38:15,220 though I have a solo so dude Commission 766 00:38:20,730 --> 00:38:18,670 agency take the opportunity please of 767 00:38:22,950 --> 00:38:20,740 beating read in person I can't change 768 00:38:24,690 --> 00:38:22,960 the necessary against the rules now 769 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:24,700 because I've done is called memoization 770 00:38:28,980 --> 00:38:26,650 I want to catch on me I don't know what 771 00:38:30,540 --> 00:38:28,990 you be better that's why I made a 772 00:38:33,390 --> 00:38:30,550 special effort to be here on this event 773 00:38:35,460 --> 00:38:33,400 to share your thoughts we decided that 774 00:38:38,730 --> 00:38:35,470 handshake suppressing that's not a 775 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:38,740 drivable but forgive me on that concrete 776 00:38:43,470 --> 00:38:41,170 I'm available the next few days there's 777 00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:43,480 always an opportunity to say hello to me 778 00:38:47,460 --> 00:38:45,250 and eat me the course there may be a 779 00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:47,470 section centerbridge waiter who could 780 00:38:54,030 --> 00:38:49,330 get a house from a presentation of our 781 00:38:57,780 --> 00:38:54,040 documentation they're closing three 782 00:39:00,330 --> 00:38:57,790 flavors I love you all but I have my 783 00:39:02,490 --> 00:39:00,340 staff are grateful for your support I'll 784 00:39:14,020 --> 00:39:02,500 beat this problem inside me here I 785 00:39:19,609 --> 00:39:16,400 government of all ages welcome the 786 00:39:46,190 --> 00:39:19,619 amazingly concerns thank you thank you 787 00:39:51,450 --> 00:39:49,920 the convention was in full swing at the 788 00:39:55,260 --> 00:39:51,460 lunch break I had time to chat with 789 00:39:57,330 --> 00:39:55,270 Morial shut lender now if they're up 790 00:40:00,060 --> 00:39:57,340 there are two things that zone listeners 791 00:40:02,550 --> 00:40:00,070 know very well one is that we love to 792 00:40:05,460 --> 00:40:02,560 normal night and two is we really love 793 00:40:07,650 --> 00:40:05,470 muy boom oriel hi hi and we're doing 794 00:40:09,870 --> 00:40:07,660 both together I'm with Morial and when 795 00:40:11,730 --> 00:40:09,880 roaming we are and it's actually good 796 00:40:13,650 --> 00:40:11,740 numbing food it's good numbing food and 797 00:40:16,620 --> 00:40:13,660 we're in a room with who knows how many 798 00:40:18,630 --> 00:40:16,630 people right over a thousand i think but 799 00:40:22,770 --> 00:40:18,640 isn't this on the two rooms or something 800 00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:22,780 crazy like that hundreds and hundreds of 801 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:24,730 people all around this old visiting nami 802 00:40:28,500 --> 00:40:26,290 and they're all nomming that's right 803 00:40:31,260 --> 00:40:28,510 it's so good doctor rating where are you 804 00:40:33,420 --> 00:40:31,270 exactly that's you should join us she'd 805 00:40:35,610 --> 00:40:33,430 be teaching everybody how do I can see 806 00:40:38,940 --> 00:40:35,620 that are you enjoying time so far 807 00:40:40,710 --> 00:40:38,950 excellent yeah yes yes it I had the high 808 00:40:42,510 --> 00:40:40,720 expectations and it exceeded them who 809 00:40:44,370 --> 00:40:42,520 said that I'm repeating whoever said 810 00:40:48,210 --> 00:40:44,380 that before because it's absolutely true 811 00:40:50,220 --> 00:40:48,220 yeah and the video is good it is it's 812 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:50,230 actually great because even though it's 813 00:40:53,910 --> 00:40:52,090 off the strip doesn't matter who cares 814 00:40:55,620 --> 00:40:53,920 nobody goes outside everything 815 00:40:57,780 --> 00:40:55,630 interesting happens inside that's true 816 00:41:00,000 --> 00:40:57,790 yeah that's it that's all you need a 817 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:00,010 bunch of skeptics and that's it and food 818 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:02,410 and food exactly numbing rich Mario we 819 00:41:12,820 --> 00:41:10,240 over the next few days I met many people 820 00:41:15,580 --> 00:41:12,830 and interviewed some more great skeptics 821 00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:15,590 including Derek Colin do know from the 822 00:41:21,310 --> 00:41:19,490 skeptic ality podcast and now i'm 823 00:41:23,260 --> 00:41:21,320 speaking with the one and only Derek 824 00:41:25,720 --> 00:41:23,270 Holland you know from skeptic ality hi 825 00:41:27,250 --> 00:41:25,730 Derek that's me hey Doc that's you here 826 00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:27,260 we are sitting in these wonderful 827 00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:28,850 comfortable couches at the end of an 828 00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:31,130 incredibly long corridor whole type 829 00:41:35,860 --> 00:41:33,890 thing here gasps everything it amazing 830 00:41:39,430 --> 00:41:35,870 is the word heaven has your tam going a 831 00:41:41,590 --> 00:41:39,440 big hotel busy busy a job having some 832 00:41:44,980 --> 00:41:41,600 interviews and I've been running around 833 00:41:46,930 --> 00:41:44,990 I had to see more of Tam this year that 834 00:41:49,060 --> 00:41:46,940 i think i ever have though so i have too 835 00:41:51,580 --> 00:41:49,070 plain too much and it's a this year 836 00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:51,590 swoopy come be with us no she got to go 837 00:41:57,130 --> 00:41:54,890 to France I got to Ken I got Tam you got 838 00:42:01,120 --> 00:41:57,140 10 I've seen brands you've been offense 839 00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:01,130 yeah so she had hard she had now the 840 00:42:04,690 --> 00:42:03,170 show's been going very well yes we've 841 00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:04,700 been really enjoying some of the great 842 00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:06,530 interviews skepta Kelly's been scoring 843 00:42:11,580 --> 00:42:08,930 lately yeah well tomorrow pretty much my 844 00:42:15,370 --> 00:42:11,590 entire day as interviews so I've had to 845 00:42:17,170 --> 00:42:15,380 today ya know yesterday and one 846 00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:17,180 yesterday I had one today but tomorrow I 847 00:42:21,940 --> 00:42:18,890 have four much model wall and of course 848 00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:21,950 apart from your work with skeptic ality 849 00:42:27,250 --> 00:42:24,530 you're very very much involved with 850 00:42:29,020 --> 00:42:27,260 Dragon Con yeah I run the skeptic track 851 00:42:31,300 --> 00:42:29,030 a drag on can you give our listeners a 852 00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:31,310 little insight into what that's all 853 00:42:36,670 --> 00:42:33,050 about oh dear dragon con is like an 854 00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:36,680 umbrella that houses about I don't know 855 00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:40,130 we're up like 48 maybe 50 other 856 00:42:45,390 --> 00:42:42,650 conventions that are all full bore 857 00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:45,400 conventions is four-day conference of 858 00:42:50,740 --> 00:42:48,650 about forty-five or fifty conventions 859 00:42:53,620 --> 00:42:50,750 inside of that one you know thing so one 860 00:42:58,000 --> 00:42:53,630 ticket gets you to like 50 conventions 861 00:43:02,920 --> 00:42:58,010 that's spanning from popular TV to move 862 00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:02,930 these two costume sewing to science 863 00:43:09,940 --> 00:43:06,490 space to origami yeah yeah even yeah and 864 00:43:13,180 --> 00:43:09,950 so we added in last year was the first 865 00:43:14,980 --> 00:43:13,190 year of we split off science under two 866 00:43:17,140 --> 00:43:14,990 things so there's science and now 867 00:43:18,190 --> 00:43:17,150 skeptics and I run the skeptic track I 868 00:43:21,339 --> 00:43:18,200 used to run the 869 00:43:23,530 --> 00:43:21,349 podcasting track but every track that 870 00:43:26,470 --> 00:43:23,540 was one director so so he took over the 871 00:43:28,420 --> 00:43:26,480 podcasting and I was there last year for 872 00:43:31,240 --> 00:43:28,430 the skeptic track and it was just 873 00:43:33,670 --> 00:43:31,250 fantastic Oh what an outrageous 874 00:43:35,530 --> 00:43:33,680 successor one we have about double the 875 00:43:37,750 --> 00:43:35,540 space this year same location but you 876 00:43:39,910 --> 00:43:37,760 remember when der tribe chose to show an 877 00:43:41,500 --> 00:43:39,920 open all the rules that's our that's our 878 00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:41,510 whole room it's a whole routine time so 879 00:43:44,410 --> 00:43:43,010 we've got the other area that was used 880 00:43:45,700 --> 00:43:44,420 for gas and then because they shuffle 881 00:43:47,589 --> 00:43:45,710 anything around because they moved the 882 00:43:50,620 --> 00:43:47,599 robotics to the Sheridan's they have a 883 00:43:52,780 --> 00:43:50,630 an arena for their robot bottle battle 884 00:43:55,240 --> 00:43:52,790 thing fantastic well I mean you were 885 00:43:56,770 --> 00:43:55,250 getting standing room only last year oh 886 00:43:58,450 --> 00:43:56,780 yeah I guess there's a couple times 887 00:44:01,359 --> 00:43:58,460 right I ran the damn thing and I 888 00:44:04,089 --> 00:44:01,369 couldn't get in yes yes at one time 889 00:44:05,740 --> 00:44:04,099 during a full plates thing was so 890 00:44:07,720 --> 00:44:05,750 crowded I had to get in because I was 891 00:44:10,180 --> 00:44:07,730 something I had to do yeah and it was so 892 00:44:13,510 --> 00:44:10,190 packed was all people standing up and I 893 00:44:15,339 --> 00:44:13,520 had to crawl on the ground I couldn't 894 00:44:17,910 --> 00:44:15,349 see anybody I couldn't see I could hear 895 00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:17,920 Phil but I had somewhat brown and like 896 00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:20,690 look at the computer and do what I had 897 00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:22,970 to do really that was kind of money but 898 00:44:27,190 --> 00:44:24,770 I really do appreciate your efforts to 899 00:44:28,660 --> 00:44:27,200 because when i was there doing the 900 00:44:30,849 --> 00:44:28,670 launch of this show the skeptic zone 901 00:44:32,710 --> 00:44:30,859 which we launched at dragoncon yes it 902 00:44:35,859 --> 00:44:32,720 was beautifully mike and we were able to 903 00:44:37,690 --> 00:44:35,869 use that later on in the show is oh yeah 904 00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:37,700 okay great am I really I'm like I'm glad 905 00:44:41,410 --> 00:44:39,530 at that happens yeah there's a couple of 906 00:44:43,420 --> 00:44:41,420 times where we had some weird stuff 907 00:44:46,059 --> 00:44:43,430 going on but I'm glad it wasn't for us 908 00:44:47,500 --> 00:44:46,069 it worth gratefully well and and I 909 00:44:49,450 --> 00:44:47,510 couldn't imagine a better place to 910 00:44:51,309 --> 00:44:49,460 launch the skeptic zone I want between G 911 00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:51,319 Dragon Con supplies so when we're there 912 00:44:55,450 --> 00:44:53,210 this year doing it'll be our one year 913 00:44:57,490 --> 00:44:55,460 anniversary so that's really cool yeah 914 00:44:59,620 --> 00:44:57,500 well be a little bit more than that 915 00:45:01,599 --> 00:44:59,630 because we're later this year basis okay 916 00:45:06,250 --> 00:45:01,609 well you know what I mean spiritually 917 00:45:09,550 --> 00:45:06,260 she's basically it's like about a year 918 00:45:12,670 --> 00:45:09,560 and three days close enough yeah well as 919 00:45:14,260 --> 00:45:12,680 I gaze down this hole which goes on for 920 00:45:16,750 --> 00:45:14,270 kilometers and kilometers I can see 921 00:45:18,130 --> 00:45:16,760 there's a queue forming process or going 922 00:45:20,890 --> 00:45:18,140 to the skeptics guide to the universe 923 00:45:22,900 --> 00:45:20,900 dinner yes so we're going in the one 924 00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:22,910 sentence I can say this is Richard 925 00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:24,770 Saunders from the skeptic zone and delic 926 00:45:31,300 --> 00:45:27,410 Derek lair I'm not a Dalek that's a 927 00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:31,310 doctor who so in the one sentence I can 928 00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:37,060 this is going in the outpatient alright 929 00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:39,410 so in the one sentence I can say this is 930 00:45:43,390 --> 00:45:41,210 Richard Saunders from the skeptic zone 931 00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:43,400 with Derek Colin do know from skeptic 932 00:45:47,770 --> 00:45:45,410 ality about to go to the skeptics guide 933 00:45:49,210 --> 00:45:47,780 to the universe inner Wow all these 934 00:45:51,190 --> 00:45:49,220 different skeptic shows we have 935 00:46:01,240 --> 00:45:51,200 different names that they're all pretty 936 00:46:03,730 --> 00:46:01,250 close sometimes I think so thank you one 937 00:46:06,340 --> 00:46:03,740 of the surprises of Tam was the winning 938 00:46:09,790 --> 00:46:06,350 of rebecca watson to Sid Rodriguez live 939 00:46:17,980 --> 00:46:09,800 on stage I caught up with Sid just after 940 00:46:22,330 --> 00:46:17,990 the event freaking of you I'm here now 941 00:46:24,610 --> 00:46:22,340 with Sid Watson Nelson we just saw an 942 00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:24,620 amazing sight here at the amazing 943 00:46:30,070 --> 00:46:26,570 convention thank you took us ages to 944 00:46:31,720 --> 00:46:30,080 plan all of a month and month where we 945 00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:31,730 had a very short timeline I'm sure 946 00:46:36,340 --> 00:46:34,610 together I'm sure I'll listen is there 947 00:46:38,500 --> 00:46:36,350 you just married rebecca watson said 948 00:46:40,930 --> 00:46:38,510 Rodriguez yeah I don't use my real name 949 00:46:43,030 --> 00:46:40,940 enough yes I pretty much sound like a 950 00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:43,040 buildup of darts clip I take her name 951 00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:46,010 but I probably will buy happiness morrow 952 00:46:51,550 --> 00:46:49,370 ya figure that out I'm sure you'll 953 00:46:53,830 --> 00:46:51,560 figure that I would I what was your 954 00:46:57,670 --> 00:46:53,840 surprise for you how much how much about 955 00:46:59,530 --> 00:46:57,680 it did you know I live on it and how 956 00:47:03,130 --> 00:46:59,540 much did everyone else it was around as 957 00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:03,140 I can see we're not exactly I I was sort 958 00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:06,770 of been on the look but 99.99 percent of 959 00:47:10,450 --> 00:47:08,570 people in there not a clue and they were 960 00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:10,460 still thought it was a silly gag until I 961 00:47:16,190 --> 00:47:13,010 think the bridesmaids rushed up on stage 962 00:47:18,839 --> 00:47:16,200 to you put on their job 963 00:47:24,750 --> 00:47:18,849 jackets on he was saying she could just 964 00:47:27,299 --> 00:47:24,760 hear the ho this is for real and then 965 00:47:30,059 --> 00:47:27,309 the family blades of the back and people 966 00:47:31,170 --> 00:47:30,069 starting to click this I think it went 967 00:47:37,710 --> 00:47:31,180 really well and I really don't think 968 00:47:40,230 --> 00:47:37,720 very many people know my many of us 969 00:47:43,319 --> 00:47:40,240 ended up at the skeptic party held about 970 00:47:46,289 --> 00:47:43,329 15 minutes away from the hotel here is a 971 00:47:48,660 --> 00:47:46,299 clip of my trip back from the party 972 00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:48,670 complete with Brian Dunning from the 973 00:47:58,270 --> 00:47:52,450 sceptile podcast somehow he and I ended 974 00:48:04,030 --> 00:48:02,020 I don't know what to say now I think we 975 00:48:11,380 --> 00:48:04,040 we've done all the gags already know 976 00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:11,390 it's a miracle of Technology you're 977 00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:14,930 listening to the skeptic zone I'm not 978 00:48:25,660 --> 00:48:20,450 Brian Dunning from sceptile com.com dot 979 00:48:28,420 --> 00:48:25,670 a you this is the this is the best car 980 00:48:30,550 --> 00:48:28,430 ride I've had in the state i'm in the 981 00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:30,560 back of this massive wagon deep down 982 00:48:36,340 --> 00:48:34,490 below in the boot with brian dunning it 983 00:48:41,050 --> 00:48:36,350 was not my call let me assure you soothe 984 00:48:43,270 --> 00:48:41,060 that help he's confessed there's a 985 00:48:49,540 --> 00:48:43,280 massive wagon a euphemism for NZ in 986 00:48:56,220 --> 00:48:49,550 Australia you don't want to know this 987 00:48:59,200 --> 00:48:56,230 isn't making the funky ladies yes 988 00:49:03,070 --> 00:48:59,210 skeptics like to have silly fun too from 989 00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:03,080 time to time and so the amazing meeting 990 00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:05,690 came to an end I sincerely would like to 991 00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:08,570 thank james randi phil plait a Kovacs 992 00:49:15,910 --> 00:49:11,690 how bid lack Bart Farkas a chance key 993 00:49:18,390 --> 00:49:15,920 Mario shot Lander and many many more too 994 00:49:31,350 --> 00:49:18,400 numerous to mention I'll see you all in 995 00:49:34,830 --> 00:49:33,810 hi Phil Plait from Bad Astronomy calm 996 00:49:37,230 --> 00:49:34,840 and the James Randi Educational 997 00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:37,240 Foundation here if you want to get an 998 00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:39,130 American take on things like moon 999 00:49:43,350 --> 00:49:41,290 hoaxers astrology chiropractors 1000 00:49:45,210 --> 00:49:43,360 creationists anti-vaxxers global warming 1001 00:49:47,100 --> 00:49:45,220 denialists homeopaths psychics UFO 1002 00:49:50,910 --> 00:49:47,110 believers and doom Criers of any flavor 1003 00:49:53,970 --> 00:49:50,920 then go to bad astronomy calm Randy org 1004 00:49:56,010 --> 00:49:53,980 or skeptic blog org and there you'll be 1005 00:49:57,840 --> 00:49:56,020 able to read me ranting railing frothing 1006 00:50:00,330 --> 00:49:57,850 and foaming about hoaxes nonsense 1007 00:50:11,430 --> 00:50:00,340 pseudoscience anti-science and anyone 1008 00:50:14,190 --> 00:50:11,440 who spins folds or mutilates reality now 1009 00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:14,200 it's time for dr. Richie reports with 1010 00:50:21,330 --> 00:50:19,330 dr. Rachel Dunlop hello everyone and 1011 00:50:22,980 --> 00:50:21,340 welcome to dr. Reggie reports I've had a 1012 00:50:24,690 --> 00:50:22,990 short hiatus for the last few weeks 1013 00:50:27,150 --> 00:50:24,700 whilst everyone else has been off having 1014 00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:27,160 fun at tan this week I want to talk to 1015 00:50:30,810 --> 00:50:28,930 you about something i came across at a 1016 00:50:33,870 --> 00:50:30,820 psychic and alternative fair which i 1017 00:50:35,850 --> 00:50:33,880 went to a few weeks ago now this kind of 1018 00:50:37,530 --> 00:50:35,860 fair showcase all manner of woo and 1019 00:50:40,020 --> 00:50:37,540 alternative therapies and I've been to 1020 00:50:42,330 --> 00:50:40,030 quite a few of these now so once you've 1021 00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:42,340 been to a couple you enter prepared to 1022 00:50:47,670 --> 00:50:44,650 experience the usual suspects such as 1023 00:50:50,730 --> 00:50:47,680 psychic readings people selling crystals 1024 00:50:52,860 --> 00:50:50,740 dream catchers and there's often some 1025 00:50:54,390 --> 00:50:52,870 brand new miracle antioxidant drink 1026 00:50:56,550 --> 00:50:54,400 that's only just been discovered by 1027 00:50:58,860 --> 00:50:56,560 white man and it's grown in a red tree 1028 00:51:01,020 --> 00:50:58,870 in the Amazonian jungle but on this 1029 00:51:02,790 --> 00:51:01,030 occasion I came across a therapy which I 1030 00:51:06,270 --> 00:51:02,800 had heard about but didn't know much 1031 00:51:08,850 --> 00:51:06,280 about urine therapy is the topic of this 1032 00:51:10,770 --> 00:51:08,860 week's doctor ecchi reports so in 1033 00:51:12,720 --> 00:51:10,780 alternative medicine the term urine 1034 00:51:16,370 --> 00:51:12,730 therapy which is also known as a gyro 1035 00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:16,380 therapy urine Oh therapy or uropathy 1036 00:51:21,540 --> 00:51:19,330 refers to various applications of human 1037 00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:21,550 urine for medicinal or cosmetic purposes 1038 00:51:28,110 --> 00:51:24,610 and this includes drinking one's urine 1039 00:51:31,230 --> 00:51:28,120 or massaging one's urine into your skin 1040 00:51:33,900 --> 00:51:31,240 and a practitioner of urine therapy is 1041 00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:33,910 sometimes known as a Europe F there are 1042 00:51:38,970 --> 00:51:36,970 two camps in urine therapy described by 1043 00:51:40,980 --> 00:51:38,980 one website promoting the benefits of 1044 00:51:44,010 --> 00:51:40,990 this therapy the groups are described as 1045 00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:44,020 the following there are the ones who say 1046 00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:45,290 urine is your own 1047 00:51:50,950 --> 00:51:47,570 victor medicine and the others who say 1048 00:51:53,350 --> 00:51:50,960 urine is toxic waste the second group 1049 00:51:56,410 --> 00:51:53,360 the ones that say urine is toxic waste 1050 00:51:58,600 --> 00:51:56,420 is the bigger group however according to 1051 00:52:01,630 --> 00:51:58,610 some websites the first group is the 1052 00:52:03,490 --> 00:52:01,640 better educated one who know that urine 1053 00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:03,500 can be considered a wide spectrum 1054 00:52:08,860 --> 00:52:06,170 healing agent not matched by any other 1055 00:52:11,130 --> 00:52:08,870 medication well there you go now 1056 00:52:14,050 --> 00:52:11,140 apparently urine is also a medication 1057 00:52:16,900 --> 00:52:14,060 known amongst believers as a super juice 1058 00:52:18,820 --> 00:52:16,910 against all diseases urine is hailed as 1059 00:52:21,490 --> 00:52:18,830 a miraculous medicine which when 1060 00:52:23,890 --> 00:52:21,500 ingested or applied externally has 1061 00:52:26,230 --> 00:52:23,900 apparently been scientifically tested to 1062 00:52:29,350 --> 00:52:26,240 fight infections allergies and skin 1063 00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:29,360 disorders and other claims for what is 1064 00:52:33,970 --> 00:52:31,930 also known as auto urine therapy 1065 00:52:36,750 --> 00:52:33,980 includes supporting the immune system 1066 00:52:38,860 --> 00:52:36,760 which of course really means nothing 1067 00:52:40,750 --> 00:52:38,870 according to the lady selling urine 1068 00:52:43,900 --> 00:52:40,760 therapy at the psychic festival as well 1069 00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:43,910 as various websites Auto urine therapy 1070 00:52:47,590 --> 00:52:45,770 can also be used in the healing of 1071 00:52:50,260 --> 00:52:47,600 illnesses that are otherwise considered 1072 00:52:53,980 --> 00:52:50,270 incurable and this includes such things 1073 00:52:56,170 --> 00:52:53,990 as cancer and full-blown AIDS this 1074 00:52:59,560 --> 00:52:56,180 apparently occurs by a mechanism 1075 00:53:01,960 --> 00:52:59,570 described as the following quote I 1076 00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:01,970 believe that when information from the 1077 00:53:05,710 --> 00:53:03,770 urine passes through the throat it is 1078 00:53:08,350 --> 00:53:05,720 analyzed by the sensors in the throat 1079 00:53:10,770 --> 00:53:08,360 and that the human immune system can 1080 00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:10,780 then be activated to cure the disease 1081 00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:13,970 that is to say signals are given by the 1082 00:53:19,260 --> 00:53:15,890 brain which may activate the necessary 1083 00:53:21,610 --> 00:53:19,270 functions for curing the ailment unquote 1084 00:53:23,110 --> 00:53:21,620 now the first worrying thing about this 1085 00:53:25,390 --> 00:53:23,120 statement is the claim that one has to 1086 00:53:27,190 --> 00:53:25,400 drink the disease components after they 1087 00:53:29,980 --> 00:53:27,200 have passed through the kidneys in order 1088 00:53:31,390 --> 00:53:29,990 to activate the immune system now surely 1089 00:53:33,790 --> 00:53:31,400 the immune system would have responded 1090 00:53:35,590 --> 00:53:33,800 when the virus or bacteria or parasite 1091 00:53:37,720 --> 00:53:35,600 first came in contact with the 1092 00:53:39,370 --> 00:53:37,730 bloodstream therefore I can see no 1093 00:53:42,430 --> 00:53:39,380 benefit in passing it through the system 1094 00:53:44,500 --> 00:53:42,440 again in the form of urine however 1095 00:53:47,350 --> 00:53:44,510 perhaps this is the key to a belief in 1096 00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:47,360 the way urine therapy works is quite 1097 00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:49,210 appeared on a website i came across 1098 00:53:54,610 --> 00:53:52,010 urine should be taken joyfully and with 1099 00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:54,620 a pleasant mind and with faith at least 1100 00:53:58,779 --> 00:53:56,810 in the therapy which improves the 1101 00:54:01,089 --> 00:53:58,789 chances of healing dramatically 1102 00:54:03,579 --> 00:54:01,099 your mind is much more powerful than you 1103 00:54:06,549 --> 00:54:03,589 think so there we go as long as you 1104 00:54:09,130 --> 00:54:06,559 believe in it it must work the following 1105 00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:09,140 us some stories spruiking the power of 1106 00:54:14,650 --> 00:54:11,650 urine therapy the first one involves 1107 00:54:17,620 --> 00:54:14,660 amputation which was avoided because of 1108 00:54:19,779 --> 00:54:17,630 the use of urine therapy the story goes 1109 00:54:21,900 --> 00:54:19,789 that a farmer's wife squashed the middle 1110 00:54:24,699 --> 00:54:21,910 joint of her index finger in a bone mill 1111 00:54:27,279 --> 00:54:24,709 the skin was lacerated and the joint was 1112 00:54:30,219 --> 00:54:27,289 open during the emergency surgery and 1113 00:54:32,079 --> 00:54:30,229 amputation was planned for later the 1114 00:54:35,019 --> 00:54:32,089 next day she had severe pain and 1115 00:54:36,459 --> 00:54:35,029 swelling of the whole hand the swelling 1116 00:54:39,539 --> 00:54:36,469 went down quickly and the pain was 1117 00:54:42,339 --> 00:54:39,549 reduced by using medicinal leeches the 1118 00:54:45,309 --> 00:54:42,349 ointment application whatever that was 1119 00:54:47,979 --> 00:54:45,319 is not specified was replaced with urine 1120 00:54:50,349 --> 00:54:47,989 and urine soaked dressings were changed 1121 00:54:52,089 --> 00:54:50,359 daily so the change of dressing was 1122 00:54:53,679 --> 00:54:52,099 nearly painless because the dressing 1123 00:54:56,289 --> 00:54:53,689 didn't become clotted or didn't adhere 1124 00:54:57,880 --> 00:54:56,299 to the wound the joint capsule was 1125 00:54:59,999 --> 00:54:57,890 healing gradually and later the skin 1126 00:55:01,959 --> 00:55:00,009 wound also cleared and the 1127 00:55:05,169 --> 00:55:01,969 anti-inflammatory effect of the urine 1128 00:55:08,199 --> 00:55:05,179 was amazing and as a result the index 1129 00:55:10,419 --> 00:55:08,209 finger could be kept next is the story 1130 00:55:13,390 --> 00:55:10,429 of a 30 year old woman who had cancer 1131 00:55:15,579 --> 00:55:13,400 and battled it for many years after she 1132 00:55:17,620 --> 00:55:15,589 was introduced to urine therapy and used 1133 00:55:20,019 --> 00:55:17,630 the perfect medicine in addition to 1134 00:55:23,859 --> 00:55:20,029 other natural treatments her suffering 1135 00:55:25,329 --> 00:55:23,869 ended and she got rid of her cancer she 1136 00:55:27,699 --> 00:55:25,339 won the battle but another battle 1137 00:55:30,069 --> 00:55:27,709 started she did not know what to do with 1138 00:55:31,929 --> 00:55:30,079 her life which was given up already and 1139 00:55:34,209 --> 00:55:31,939 she had to start from scratch and find 1140 00:55:36,609 --> 00:55:34,219 an occupation or work to financially 1141 00:55:38,589 --> 00:55:36,619 support herself she had her life back 1142 00:55:41,349 --> 00:55:38,599 but she had to get used to it what a 1143 00:55:42,969 --> 00:55:41,359 strange feeling next is a testimonial 1144 00:55:45,849 --> 00:55:42,979 from a 50 year old woman who was 1145 00:55:48,189 --> 00:55:45,859 diagnosed with HIV and now says after 1146 00:55:50,709 --> 00:55:48,199 taking urine therapy that her full-blown 1147 00:55:53,679 --> 00:55:50,719 AIDS is healed she says she was 1148 00:55:56,079 --> 00:55:53,689 diagnosed with HIV 10 years ago quote 1149 00:55:58,989 --> 00:55:56,089 about six months after that I started 1150 00:56:01,839 --> 00:55:58,999 taking medication but after about two 1151 00:56:03,729 --> 00:56:01,849 years it stopped working I was a mess I 1152 00:56:06,399 --> 00:56:03,739 had full-blown AIDS and a lot of people 1153 00:56:07,899 --> 00:56:06,409 thought my time was up I have a good 1154 00:56:11,429 --> 00:56:07,909 friend who was going to school to become 1155 00:56:12,790 --> 00:56:11,439 a doctor he told me about urine therapy 1156 00:56:14,740 --> 00:56:12,800 since there 1157 00:56:17,710 --> 00:56:14,750 I have dreamed drinking a third of a cup 1158 00:56:20,590 --> 00:56:17,720 every day last week I was told that my 1159 00:56:22,690 --> 00:56:20,600 AIDS is undetectable I've been taking 1160 00:56:24,070 --> 00:56:22,700 medicine for almost 10 years and nothing 1161 00:56:27,310 --> 00:56:24,080 like this has ever been close to 1162 00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:27,320 happening I know it sounds gross but if 1163 00:56:32,500 --> 00:56:29,090 you want to live I recommend it strongly 1164 00:56:34,990 --> 00:56:32,510 it is a miracle drug no one listened to 1165 00:56:36,850 --> 00:56:35,000 me at first they thought I was crazy but 1166 00:56:38,830 --> 00:56:36,860 now all my friends are doing it it's 1167 00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:38,840 really a small price to pay if you want 1168 00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:41,090 to live I used to take antidepressants 1169 00:56:45,220 --> 00:56:43,850 but I don't need them now the urine 1170 00:56:47,740 --> 00:56:45,230 fixed the part of my brain that was 1171 00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:47,750 making me depressed if you have asthma 1172 00:56:53,050 --> 00:56:50,690 it cures that too it carries just about 1173 00:56:56,410 --> 00:56:53,060 everything I'm so glad that I found out 1174 00:56:59,230 --> 00:56:56,420 about urine therapy and on the topic of 1175 00:57:01,330 --> 00:56:59,240 urine therapy for HIV or AIDS one 1176 00:57:04,540 --> 00:57:01,340 website i came across offers a tincture 1177 00:57:07,240 --> 00:57:04,550 known as aids soul or tablets called a 1178 00:57:11,050 --> 00:57:07,250 cure which they say are effective in 1179 00:57:14,130 --> 00:57:11,060 hiv/aids patients now the website refers 1180 00:57:16,750 --> 00:57:14,140 to this tincture as quote a horrible 1181 00:57:19,330 --> 00:57:16,760 antibacterial product useful in various 1182 00:57:22,630 --> 00:57:19,340 bacterial infections such as the common 1183 00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:22,640 cold bronchitis influenza 1184 00:57:28,270 --> 00:57:25,490 bronchopulmonary infections tonsillitis 1185 00:57:31,180 --> 00:57:28,280 urinary tract infections fever skin 1186 00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:31,190 infections and also helps to cure AIDS 1187 00:57:36,460 --> 00:57:34,850 due to its antibacterial action it's 1188 00:57:38,890 --> 00:57:36,470 funny that they say it's effective in 1189 00:57:42,730 --> 00:57:38,900 treating HIV because of its bacterial 1190 00:57:45,490 --> 00:57:42,740 action when HIV is a virus however I 1191 00:57:47,620 --> 00:57:45,500 digress there is also an accompanying 1192 00:57:49,690 --> 00:57:47,630 youtube channel for this company but it 1193 00:57:53,590 --> 00:57:49,700 is entirely in Hindi with Taiwanese 1194 00:57:55,990 --> 00:57:53,600 subtitles however the byline says that 1195 00:57:58,320 --> 00:57:56,000 patients suffering from hiv/aids have 1196 00:58:00,700 --> 00:57:58,330 benefited from cow urine therapy 1197 00:58:02,710 --> 00:58:00,710 although some proponents of urine 1198 00:58:05,260 --> 00:58:02,720 therapy say you should only use your own 1199 00:58:07,180 --> 00:58:05,270 urine there are other websites that tell 1200 00:58:09,700 --> 00:58:07,190 you you can use cow urine as just 1201 00:58:13,180 --> 00:58:09,710 mentioned but also other types of urine 1202 00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:13,190 including plant urine now plug urine is 1203 00:58:17,530 --> 00:58:15,410 the water that the plant by its root 1204 00:58:21,250 --> 00:58:17,540 system filters and lifts from great 1205 00:58:23,500 --> 00:58:21,260 depths and I quote no external water 1206 00:58:26,710 --> 00:58:23,510 sources or artificially processed water 1207 00:58:28,750 --> 00:58:26,720 is used and this ensures the water 1208 00:58:32,170 --> 00:58:28,760 tains no unfavorable memories of 1209 00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:32,180 artificial processing and this method of 1210 00:58:36,580 --> 00:58:34,730 extracting plant urine is used to 1211 00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:36,590 produce a new generation of flower 1212 00:58:41,950 --> 00:58:39,530 essences or remedies known as the 1213 00:58:44,620 --> 00:58:41,960 steppin offs method after due to steppin 1214 00:58:47,380 --> 00:58:44,630 offs who created the new generation of 1215 00:58:49,210 --> 00:58:47,390 flower remedies traditionally flower 1216 00:58:51,670 --> 00:58:49,220 remedies or essences were made with 1217 00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:51,680 parts from cut flowers or other parts of 1218 00:58:57,070 --> 00:58:54,170 the plant which had been soaked in water 1219 00:58:59,500 --> 00:58:57,080 and solarized but this newly discovered 1220 00:59:02,230 --> 00:58:59,510 method extracts the essence from a live 1221 00:59:03,940 --> 00:59:02,240 plant itself the plant is then left 1222 00:59:07,630 --> 00:59:03,950 unharmed to continue its growth in 1223 00:59:10,359 --> 00:59:07,640 nature fully intact and this apparently 1224 00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:10,369 has a beneficial impact on the plant the 1225 00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:12,410 environment and improves the strength 1226 00:59:16,750 --> 00:59:14,090 and healing quality of the flower 1227 00:59:19,150 --> 00:59:16,760 essence so now we're starting to drift 1228 00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:19,160 into homeopathy territory where it's 1229 00:59:23,530 --> 00:59:21,050 being discussed that the urine might 1230 00:59:26,290 --> 00:59:23,540 maintain a memory the difference being 1231 00:59:28,990 --> 00:59:26,300 in this case the memory is bad whereas 1232 00:59:32,980 --> 00:59:29,000 in homeopathy it is critical to it being 1233 00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:32,990 effective or not the lady I spoke to at 1234 00:59:37,540 --> 00:59:35,570 the psychic and alternative fair advised 1235 00:59:40,180 --> 00:59:37,550 me that the best way to use urine 1236 00:59:42,010 --> 00:59:40,190 therapy is to place four or five drops 1237 00:59:43,599 --> 00:59:42,020 of your own urine under your tongue and 1238 00:59:45,790 --> 00:59:43,609 that will cure just about everything 1239 00:59:48,250 --> 00:59:45,800 whilst I don't recommend that you try 1240 00:59:50,740 --> 00:59:48,260 these listeners if you're willing please 1241 00:59:53,829 --> 00:59:50,750 let me know by emailing me at Rachel at 1242 00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:53,839 skeptic zone TV so we can share with 1243 00:59:59,470 --> 00:59:56,330 everyone which incurable illness you 1244 01:00:11,399 --> 00:59:59,480 cured with urine therapy and until next 1245 01:00:23,860 --> 01:00:14,799 join us now for drinking skeptically in 1246 01:00:32,510 --> 01:00:25,940 well from the other side of the planet 1247 01:00:33,980 --> 01:00:32,520 cheers everybody I don't know clinking 1248 01:00:35,810 --> 01:00:33,990 bottles and glasses sound the same 1249 01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:35,820 everywhere around the world thank you 1250 01:00:39,890 --> 01:00:37,770 for joining me today in the Las Vegas 1251 01:00:41,630 --> 01:00:39,900 think tank yes we've taken the whole 1252 01:00:43,970 --> 01:00:41,640 room we normally do the thing take in 1253 01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:43,980 we've come to Las Vegas and joining me 1254 01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:45,210 we have some very special guests 1255 01:00:49,730 --> 01:00:47,370 starting with Brian Dunning hello Brian 1256 01:00:51,650 --> 01:00:49,740 hello hello great that you could come 1257 01:00:53,180 --> 01:00:51,660 with us and I'll get everybody I I came 1258 01:00:55,790 --> 01:00:53,190 all the way from around around the world 1259 01:00:57,710 --> 01:00:55,800 okay I sorta I went a long way around 1260 01:01:00,500 --> 01:00:57,720 just let it be fair for everybody thank 1261 01:01:04,490 --> 01:01:00,510 i do appreciate that there's appreciate 1262 01:01:06,260 --> 01:01:04,500 that and Travis hi hi wait to see you 1263 01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:06,270 yeah great to see you couldn't be you in 1264 01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:07,290 person fine line we've been 1265 01:01:10,340 --> 01:01:08,490 corresponding for a long time in fact 1266 01:01:13,550 --> 01:01:10,350 you said me some root beer I was very 1267 01:01:17,900 --> 01:01:13,560 happy about yes and we've got Craig 1268 01:01:20,510 --> 01:01:17,910 right I appreciate a going on and I'm 1269 01:01:22,670 --> 01:01:20,520 doing well Michael Michael this hang on 1270 01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:22,680 I'm undertaking an Australian team on 1271 01:01:27,250 --> 01:01:24,930 that side of the room and think tank 1272 01:01:30,530 --> 01:01:27,260 regular Amanda Rose hi Amanda hello 1273 01:01:33,950 --> 01:01:30,540 everyone and our good friend muy boo 1274 01:01:36,950 --> 01:01:33,960 mario i come a bit closer Mario and 1275 01:01:38,690 --> 01:01:36,960 Ashley how's it going Richard I'm very 1276 01:01:41,630 --> 01:01:38,700 well I'm so happy to be you know isn't 1277 01:01:43,580 --> 01:01:41,640 this an amazing thing Amanda a long time 1278 01:01:46,190 --> 01:01:43,590 think tank veteran to do one here in Las 1279 01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:46,200 Vegas I to amazing 1280 01:01:50,660 --> 01:01:48,810 amazing is the word isn't it everybody 1281 01:01:57,560 --> 01:01:50,670 amazing as the how did you come up with 1282 01:02:00,319 --> 01:01:57,570 a major writer amazing you I mean ! and 1283 01:02:02,569 --> 01:02:00,329 no I oh yes of course the maybe ah now 1284 01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:02,579 has everybody had a good amazing meeting 1285 01:02:07,010 --> 01:02:05,490 so far yeah these are just the best 1286 01:02:09,020 --> 01:02:07,020 times this is this is seriously it's the 1287 01:02:11,180 --> 01:02:09,030 best three days of the year for me four 1288 01:02:12,410 --> 01:02:11,190 days five days out however long I'm 1289 01:02:14,540 --> 01:02:12,420 still here in one form or another 1290 01:02:17,300 --> 01:02:14,550 afterward effort in the more people 1291 01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:17,310 actually join his hi everyone okay back 1292 01:02:22,010 --> 01:02:19,650 there more Australians actually more 1293 01:02:23,599 --> 01:02:22,020 Australians now I should explain to our 1294 01:02:27,170 --> 01:02:23,609 listeners exactly where we are we're at 1295 01:02:29,300 --> 01:02:27,180 the south point casino and spies and 1296 01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:29,310 caught something like that yes okay 1297 01:02:38,150 --> 01:02:33,210 which is like a mini city almost it's 1298 01:02:41,420 --> 01:02:38,160 got an equestrian reen arena don't call 1299 01:02:43,430 --> 01:02:41,430 me out hauling Ali movie did sorry 1300 01:02:45,140 --> 01:02:43,440 almost impossible it's almost in 1301 01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:45,150 American skip there's a beautiful 1302 01:02:48,859 --> 01:02:47,010 cinemas upstairs which I've got the 1303 01:02:52,099 --> 01:02:48,869 other day yeah yeah yeah and we're 1304 01:02:54,770 --> 01:02:52,109 sitting in one bar of a giant hanger 1305 01:02:56,809 --> 01:02:54,780 type room as room as big as an aircraft 1306 01:02:59,870 --> 01:02:56,819 hang or even bigger full of poker 1307 01:03:01,430 --> 01:02:59,880 machines casino type stuff and over to 1308 01:03:03,859 --> 01:03:01,440 my right here I'm seeing a big wall of 1309 01:03:06,559 --> 01:03:03,869 baseball bedding or something like that 1310 01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:06,569 Bogut's cricket cricket I thought so 1311 01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:08,490 yeah 1312 01:03:14,690 --> 01:03:11,130 a little different and if I further to 1313 01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:14,700 my right we have horse racing and this 1314 01:03:17,780 --> 01:03:16,290 is only one band on the other side of 1315 01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:17,790 the room past the tables there's another 1316 01:03:21,620 --> 01:03:19,650 bar for people who haven't been to Las 1317 01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:21,630 Vegas it's like the world's biggest era 1318 01:03:29,180 --> 01:03:26,250 cell phone and Richard Ely food beer out 1319 01:03:33,410 --> 01:03:29,190 of every disease and just as classy I'm 1320 01:03:35,300 --> 01:03:33,420 not saying it really is it's a great 1321 01:03:36,740 --> 01:03:35,310 venue for the convention though I must 1322 01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:36,750 say because the room we have for the 1323 01:03:41,900 --> 01:03:39,090 meaning the ballroom they call it is 1324 01:03:44,510 --> 01:03:41,910 massive beyond belief and we ride across 1325 01:03:46,460 --> 01:03:44,520 the corridor so it's all there it's 1326 01:03:48,230 --> 01:03:46,470 pretty good and Las Vegas can be pretty 1327 01:03:50,150 --> 01:03:48,240 hit or miss a lot of the hotels are old 1328 01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:50,160 and of course they don't want to make 1329 01:03:53,330 --> 01:03:51,570 you too comfortable in your room they 1330 01:03:54,590 --> 01:03:53,340 want you to come down in gambling casino 1331 01:03:56,270 --> 01:03:54,600 so a lot of the rooms aren't the nicest 1332 01:03:57,980 --> 01:03:56,280 and we're lucky because this place is 1333 01:03:59,750 --> 01:03:57,990 brand new and I told us we're the first 1334 01:04:01,070 --> 01:03:59,760 big convention that they've actually had 1335 01:04:03,590 --> 01:04:01,080 here i'm not sure if that's true but 1336 01:04:05,180 --> 01:04:03,600 that's what they told us so we got like 1337 01:04:08,859 --> 01:04:05,190 new rooms plasma screens very 1338 01:04:12,859 --> 01:04:08,869 comfortable nice beds it's great 75 80 1339 01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:12,869 75 cent hotdogs have you tried 102 you 1340 01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:17,250 had to one thing that I noticed I was 1341 01:04:20,780 --> 01:04:18,570 interesting and said they have a wide 1342 01:04:28,349 --> 01:04:20,790 variety slot machines i saw one over by 1343 01:04:30,310 --> 01:04:28,359 the by the buffet called mr. woo yes 1344 01:04:33,010 --> 01:04:30,320 don't know 1345 01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:33,020 manufacturer last night dinner yeah and 1346 01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:34,730 he was 1347 01:04:40,980 --> 01:04:37,010 very interested in buying that one on 1348 01:04:47,150 --> 01:04:43,099 the auditions 1349 01:04:49,220 --> 01:04:47,160 worrying believe that's a industry I 1350 01:04:51,799 --> 01:04:49,230 know of in Australia making these we 1351 01:04:55,370 --> 01:04:51,809 call them hokies poking poker machines 1352 01:04:56,930 --> 01:04:55,380 pokers not slot machines right now I was 1353 01:04:58,729 --> 01:04:56,940 very interested yesterday and this is a 1354 01:05:00,859 --> 01:04:58,739 situation that we often talk about on 1355 01:05:07,069 --> 01:05:00,869 the think tank it was a great discussion 1356 01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:07,079 about vaccinations and i can't wait now 1357 01:05:11,359 --> 01:05:09,690 to watch it again on the DVD because it 1358 01:05:12,559 --> 01:05:11,369 was saying all sorts of things that 1359 01:05:15,769 --> 01:05:12,569 we've been saying for a long time 1360 01:05:17,059 --> 01:05:15,779 especially in australia or the problems 1361 01:05:20,210 --> 01:05:17,069 that we've been having did it do 1362 01:05:27,049 --> 01:05:20,220 everybody see that i thought i thought 1363 01:05:30,289 --> 01:05:27,059 that was great so what did what what did 1364 01:05:31,849 --> 01:05:30,299 you really get out of it Brian he's 1365 01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:31,859 picking on me because I should I shook 1366 01:05:35,870 --> 01:05:34,410 my head no I have to miss that one I for 1367 01:05:37,549 --> 01:05:35,880 some reason half of my tams are always 1368 01:05:40,309 --> 01:05:37,559 spoiled by meetings and appointments and 1369 01:05:42,710 --> 01:05:40,319 so forth in such on people dragging you 1370 01:05:44,749 --> 01:05:42,720 down the bus to do recorded exactly this 1371 01:05:47,029 --> 01:05:44,759 is prob so so yeah I had to miss that 1372 01:05:48,890 --> 01:05:47,039 one but that's the best thing about town 1373 01:05:51,079 --> 01:05:48,900 though like there are these awesome 1374 01:05:52,609 --> 01:05:51,089 lectures but I think the people 1375 01:05:54,979 --> 01:05:52,619 unique here you know the conversations 1376 01:05:58,459 --> 01:05:54,989 that you have with the different people 1377 01:06:00,440 --> 01:05:58,469 and meeting the activists oh yeah will 1378 01:06:04,309 --> 01:06:00,450 it show up there's something amazing 1379 01:06:06,140 --> 01:06:04,319 going on in every room there really is 1380 01:06:08,420 --> 01:06:06,150 there really is and it is the meeting 1381 01:06:11,329 --> 01:06:08,430 the people it's a networking opportunity 1382 01:06:13,549 --> 01:06:11,339 isn't it oh it's it's really the 1383 01:06:14,900 --> 01:06:13,559 networking opportunity for for people 1384 01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:14,910 who are trying to work together to you 1385 01:06:17,630 --> 01:06:16,410 know put together you know all kinds of 1386 01:06:19,130 --> 01:06:17,640 media projects different people are 1387 01:06:20,599 --> 01:06:19,140 working on and this is really the only 1388 01:06:22,819 --> 01:06:20,609 time everyone gets to see each other 1389 01:06:24,109 --> 01:06:22,829 face to face I mean heck yeah just came 1390 01:06:26,359 --> 01:06:24,119 come from our way around the world I 1391 01:06:28,039 --> 01:06:26,369 mean yeah we don't see each other other 1392 01:06:31,099 --> 01:06:28,049 than this one so you excuse lunch the 1393 01:06:33,140 --> 01:06:31,109 twice either you doing diamond condo yes 1394 01:06:34,700 --> 01:06:33,150 dragoncon can be there what's the next 1395 01:06:37,509 --> 01:06:34,710 one I'll blousy the dragon and 1396 01:06:41,799 --> 01:06:37,519 everyone's coming to Australia 1397 01:06:46,249 --> 01:06:41,809 absolutely 2010 late November in Sydney 1398 01:06:49,569 --> 01:06:46,259 it'll be SGU it'll be lots of people 1399 01:06:51,950 --> 01:06:49,579 have expressed the desire to come 1400 01:06:53,329 --> 01:06:51,960 absolutely now whether that means i 1401 01:06:55,459 --> 01:06:53,339 actually get on the plane or notice a 1402 01:07:01,160 --> 01:06:55,469 different story i think if i start 1403 01:07:05,539 --> 01:07:01,170 swimming now probably get there you just 1404 01:07:07,099 --> 01:07:05,549 wanted your time difference that's what 1405 01:07:08,779 --> 01:07:07,109 is actually known about that is it it 1406 01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:08,789 like it is it in any real stage of 1407 01:07:13,549 --> 01:07:10,650 planning yet I mean this venue is there 1408 01:07:18,259 --> 01:07:13,559 a real date yet please do the real dates 1409 01:07:20,269 --> 01:07:18,269 are the I don't have them on me but it's 1410 01:07:24,109 --> 01:07:20,279 the last week in november around one 1411 01:07:26,329 --> 01:07:24,119 when thanksgiving is either a great 1412 01:07:30,559 --> 01:07:26,339 excuse to avoid family though now you 1413 01:07:32,180 --> 01:07:30,569 are and i think at the moment we're 1414 01:07:34,789 --> 01:07:32,190 looking at the sydney university to be 1415 01:07:37,579 --> 01:07:34,799 the venue which is great like a good 1416 01:07:42,620 --> 01:07:37,589 nice big lecture theatres we can use 1417 01:07:49,849 --> 01:07:42,630 those now who is sydney yeah a long way 1418 01:07:52,489 --> 01:07:49,859 to go he's working on it did you know 1419 01:07:54,380 --> 01:07:52,499 the leg train talking about bad jokes 1420 01:07:58,099 --> 01:07:54,390 did you know that brian dunning actually 1421 01:08:02,930 --> 01:07:58,109 invented the noiseless telephone he won 1422 01:08:12,090 --> 01:08:05,640 it wasn't funny last night when he told 1423 01:08:14,970 --> 01:08:12,100 it here very good yeah I might suit you 1424 01:08:17,370 --> 01:08:14,980 Travis for a moment yes you listen to 1425 01:08:19,380 --> 01:08:17,380 the show yes I do I enjoyed very much i 1426 01:08:20,940 --> 01:08:19,390 know i've been i've been so happy to 1427 01:08:26,280 --> 01:08:20,950 have lots of people come to me and say 1428 01:08:29,519 --> 01:08:26,290 they hi girls hi they listen to the show 1429 01:08:31,260 --> 01:08:29,529 yep what what what do you find 1430 01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:31,270 interesting about it already you get out 1431 01:08:34,650 --> 01:08:32,650 of it which would be different from an 1432 01:08:36,900 --> 01:08:34,660 American podcast I think it's just 1433 01:08:39,539 --> 01:08:36,910 seeing seeing it from a slightly 1434 01:08:41,340 --> 01:08:39,549 different viewpoint I think the one 1435 01:08:43,769 --> 01:08:41,350 thing that I really got from skeptic 1436 01:08:46,769 --> 01:08:43,779 zone and it kind of made me a little 1437 01:08:48,590 --> 01:08:46,779 nuts was it really focused me more 1438 01:08:51,420 --> 01:08:48,600 because you talk about a lot more about 1439 01:08:53,309 --> 01:08:51,430 alternative medicine stuff homeopathy ah 1440 01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:53,319 the an evac stuff and that's just that 1441 01:08:57,680 --> 01:08:55,210 drives me up a wall and I seem to get 1442 01:09:00,170 --> 01:08:57,690 that more from your podcast than I do 1443 01:09:02,780 --> 01:09:00,180 mother once cuz homeopathy doesn't seem 1444 01:09:05,410 --> 01:09:02,790 to be as big in the United States as it 1445 01:09:09,229 --> 01:09:05,420 seems to be down in Australia uh-huh so 1446 01:09:10,939 --> 01:09:09,239 it is yeah it's a pity I mean what's a 1447 01:09:13,070 --> 01:09:10,949 pity it's big anywhere but it does 1448 01:09:16,670 --> 01:09:13,080 happen to be to be big in Australia a 1449 01:09:18,349 --> 01:09:16,680 lot of people kept in inspecting they 1450 01:09:21,400 --> 01:09:18,359 love listening to podcasts on the double 1451 01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:21,410 speed now on their iphones and itouches 1452 01:09:26,150 --> 01:09:24,690 well they should they don't they can't 1453 01:09:31,099 --> 01:09:26,160 listen to us because they can't 1454 01:09:35,630 --> 01:09:31,109 understand us so for all you people to 1455 01:09:38,030 --> 01:09:35,640 do some doubles me home now as he's only 1456 01:09:42,229 --> 01:09:38,040 healthy hi i hope we Josie's listen to 1457 01:09:44,209 --> 01:09:42,239 the show yes oh great so um what some of 1458 01:09:45,410 --> 01:09:44,219 the feedback I get from Australians 1459 01:09:49,550 --> 01:09:45,420 listening to the show is that they're 1460 01:09:51,650 --> 01:09:49,560 happy there's a local podcast yeah it's 1461 01:09:54,019 --> 01:09:51,660 one of the only podcasters there's three 1462 01:09:57,080 --> 01:09:54,029 or four American podcasts that got 1463 01:10:03,350 --> 01:09:57,090 skipped oi skeptic ality see said skip 1464 01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:03,360 toid put the SGU out of fear that that 1465 01:10:08,450 --> 01:10:05,610 are really good but it's really unusual 1466 01:10:10,910 --> 01:10:08,460 actually be here good material coming in 1467 01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:10,920 Australian accent it's very unusual to 1468 01:10:17,090 --> 01:10:14,730 hear that it well it's really not that 1469 01:10:18,709 --> 01:10:17,100 surprising than Australian a video like 1470 01:10:20,330 --> 01:10:18,719 that it's very weird to hear it coming 1471 01:10:21,770 --> 01:10:20,340 into the Australian accent just gets so 1472 01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:21,780 used to you you get very close to the 1473 01:10:24,830 --> 01:10:23,610 podcast being American but you know 1474 01:10:28,710 --> 01:10:24,840 there are more and more Australian 1475 01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:28,720 podcast now along these lines yes 1476 01:10:33,330 --> 01:10:31,210 and saying if there's there's no good 1477 01:10:35,430 --> 01:10:33,340 content available in Australian accent 1478 01:10:39,690 --> 01:10:35,440 that was such a softball set up I'm not 1479 01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:39,700 even gonna go there normal people 1480 01:10:46,710 --> 01:10:43,210 holiday everyone hi more roses yeah yeah 1481 01:10:49,590 --> 01:10:46,720 there you go I enjoying the conference 1482 01:10:51,330 --> 01:10:49,600 having a ball laughing yeah isn't a good 1483 01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:51,340 what today's session was good too i 1484 01:10:57,570 --> 01:10:53,650 really like the last one that they just 1485 01:10:59,670 --> 01:10:57,580 had was the magicians we had a Penn & 1486 01:11:02,070 --> 01:10:59,680 Teller james randi Jamy Ian Swiss and 1487 01:11:04,650 --> 01:11:02,080 ray hyman and DJ Grothe talking about 1488 01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:04,660 the ethics of magic wow that was good 1489 01:11:13,170 --> 01:11:05,890 yeah the nice thing I liked about that 1490 01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:13,180 was Randy didn't pull any punches I your 1491 01:11:19,380 --> 01:11:16,170 tweet about their trusty interval yeah 1492 01:11:21,660 --> 01:11:19,390 yeah yeah I'm not I'm not gonna put this 1493 01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:21,670 an explicit tag on this podcast I'm 1494 01:11:31,220 --> 01:11:23,650 gonna bleep this he was talking about 1495 01:11:35,070 --> 01:11:33,420 everything laughs that was rip that was 1496 01:11:37,380 --> 01:11:35,080 really funny this is your first time 1497 01:11:39,090 --> 01:11:37,390 here yeah you're amazing winning yeah 1498 01:11:42,270 --> 01:11:39,100 it's only my second who's who's a 1499 01:11:46,170 --> 01:11:42,280 veteran of them this is my second I've 1500 01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:46,180 been to 33 Wow and first one girls yeah 1501 01:11:53,419 --> 01:11:51,050 I knew from Brisbane riously 1502 01:11:54,890 --> 01:11:53,429 go on that subject I first heard about 1503 01:11:57,109 --> 01:11:54,900 the amazing meeting when they first 1504 01:11:58,430 --> 01:11:57,119 advertised tam one and I didn't even 1505 01:11:59,569 --> 01:11:58,440 know about the J rep or anything 1506 01:12:02,899 --> 01:11:59,579 somewhere just happened to stumble 1507 01:12:05,209 --> 01:12:02,909 across an ad for it and so for Tam one 1508 01:12:07,250 --> 01:12:05,219 two three and four I called all of my 1509 01:12:09,080 --> 01:12:07,260 friends tried to talk them into going 1510 01:12:11,180 --> 01:12:09,090 with me I say hey this looks cool let's 1511 01:12:12,740 --> 01:12:11,190 go to that nobody would go and so I 1512 01:12:14,390 --> 01:12:12,750 didn't I never made it to any of them 1513 01:12:18,799 --> 01:12:14,400 until finally my wife agreed to go to 1514 01:12:20,569 --> 01:12:18,809 tam 5 wow you wanted to tame you Tim six 1515 01:12:22,580 --> 01:12:20,579 last I would yeah i was at em say yes 1516 01:12:25,250 --> 01:12:22,590 you i remember right happen so yeah 1517 01:12:29,060 --> 01:12:25,260 you're only human I that was my first 1518 01:12:31,459 --> 01:12:29,070 yeah that was and this year how many 1519 01:12:33,319 --> 01:12:31,469 people are thousand seven thousand oh 1520 01:12:34,970 --> 01:12:33,329 seven was overheard yeah but did you see 1521 01:12:36,970 --> 01:12:34,980 how many hearings it enough that was 1522 01:12:39,649 --> 01:12:36,980 only yesterday morning at work yeah 1523 01:12:44,839 --> 01:12:39,659 everyone hi hi Jamie come and say hello 1524 01:12:46,399 --> 01:12:44,849 aren't cumbrian you come here you come 1525 01:12:50,109 --> 01:12:46,409 in and out some more friends of mine to 1526 01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:50,119 turn up hi Jamie right and you're from 1527 01:12:57,100 --> 01:12:54,210 Tucson Arizona Tucson Arizona and Jamie 1528 01:12:59,870 --> 01:12:57,110 does some interesting political type 1529 01:13:03,410 --> 01:12:59,880 videos on YouTube and where can people 1530 01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:03,420 find those Jamie Oh racela ra de la 1531 01:13:09,649 --> 01:13:07,770 blogspot com I first discovered your 1532 01:13:10,970 --> 01:13:09,659 your online stuff and I started 1533 01:13:12,439 --> 01:13:10,980 corresponding with the youth hurts we 1534 01:13:16,090 --> 01:13:12,449 have to meet you in person yeah it was 1535 01:13:23,900 --> 01:13:21,140 and iron we met on the amazing adventure 1536 01:13:25,970 --> 01:13:23,910 to north to Alaska well and it was quite 1537 01:13:29,210 --> 01:13:25,980 amazing i'll tell you that was anyone on 1538 01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:29,220 the gluttonous no i was on driven in 1539 01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:31,530 caribbean first amazing adventure that's 1540 01:13:35,870 --> 01:13:32,610 when we were still trying to determine 1541 01:13:37,340 --> 01:13:35,880 halloween it was amazing who's been on 1542 01:13:38,930 --> 01:13:37,350 the trips and anybody else has been on 1543 01:13:41,780 --> 01:13:38,940 that the cruisers or the adventures like 1544 01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:41,790 that no they are fantastic this is it's 1545 01:13:46,460 --> 01:13:44,610 like this except it goes for a week you 1546 01:13:48,830 --> 01:13:46,470 know and in the middle of Asia in the 1547 01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:48,840 middle of the ocean pc speakers cannot 1548 01:13:58,010 --> 01:13:52,770 run away from you and they have nowhere 1549 01:14:02,060 --> 01:13:58,020 to go with the ocean some of them we're 1550 01:14:05,990 --> 01:14:02,070 motivated hey whoa no way oh wow you've 1551 01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:09,129 I don't 1552 01:14:14,629 --> 01:14:13,129 sylvania I'm not sure I where's the 1553 01:14:21,580 --> 01:14:14,639 father's place on the planet from Las 1554 01:14:26,990 --> 01:14:25,640 that's a good answer now Mario let's try 1555 01:14:29,419 --> 01:14:27,000 an experiment here let's try an 1556 01:14:31,490 --> 01:14:29,429 experiment I've got now you've been 1557 01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:31,500 watching me closely I hope you see that 1558 01:14:39,260 --> 01:14:34,050 quite sneekly I've been drinking beer 1559 01:14:43,310 --> 01:14:39,270 now which means my beer bottle is almost 1560 01:14:45,050 --> 01:14:43,320 empty Mario here- almost four so we're 1561 01:14:48,260 --> 01:14:45,060 going to do a little acoustic experiment 1562 01:14:50,540 --> 01:14:48,270 right now I have a pen so then the 1563 01:14:52,580 --> 01:14:50,550 experiment won't involve any cake this 1564 01:14:54,919 --> 01:14:52,590 time no cake in my face last year she'd 1565 01:14:58,189 --> 01:14:54,929 put cake in my face it was quite funny 1566 01:14:59,750 --> 01:14:58,199 I'm really sorry to hear that I'm really 1567 01:15:03,140 --> 01:14:59,760 sorry to be sitting between the two of 1568 01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:03,150 you I'm really sorry audience thank 1569 01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:06,810 brian dunning we'll see you later sorry 1570 01:15:12,430 --> 01:15:09,090 i have to go i'll see you all in white 1571 01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:12,440 november two thousand to thank you 1572 01:15:17,470 --> 01:15:15,770 all right now let's try a little this is 1573 01:15:18,670 --> 01:15:17,480 a very simple experiment but we had to 1574 01:15:21,130 --> 01:15:18,680 come up with something rule you could 1575 01:15:22,840 --> 01:15:21,140 use for audio because last year it was 1576 01:15:24,490 --> 01:15:22,850 very visual and pie in the face and 1577 01:15:25,630 --> 01:15:24,500 everything like that right so we're 1578 01:15:27,850 --> 01:15:25,640 going to do this little experiment than 1579 01:15:30,459 --> 01:15:27,860 mario is going to explain it more later 1580 01:15:32,590 --> 01:15:30,469 on and on her smarter than that type 1581 01:15:34,300 --> 01:15:32,600 stuff and we're talking about why things 1582 01:15:37,209 --> 01:15:34,310 sound differently depending on the 1583 01:15:40,930 --> 01:15:37,219 volume of liquid say inside of oil so 1584 01:15:45,070 --> 01:15:40,940 listeners can you guess is this bottle 1585 01:15:48,370 --> 01:15:45,080 full or empty write your answers on the 1586 01:15:53,890 --> 01:15:48,380 back of a postcard don't worry I'll pick 1587 01:15:56,050 --> 01:15:53,900 up yours all right now the only thing is 1588 01:15:58,300 --> 01:15:56,060 that you kind of Kerry dancer yeah hmm 1589 01:16:01,209 --> 01:15:58,310 let's never mind that's because you 1590 01:16:09,490 --> 01:16:01,219 weren't yours it why God this is mine 1591 01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:09,500 again yours now why why does mine sound 1592 01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:11,810 lower if I'm hitting this and it's full 1593 01:16:17,110 --> 01:16:14,570 of liquid you wouldn't wouldn't the echo 1594 01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:17,120 that the noise i'm making be made lower 1595 01:16:20,620 --> 01:16:19,010 by the fact it's gotta travel from 1596 01:16:22,900 --> 01:16:20,630 liquid and everything else that's going 1597 01:16:25,990 --> 01:16:22,910 on no so what's going on is when we clap 1598 01:16:28,390 --> 01:16:26,000 the glass we make the glass travel a 1599 01:16:30,930 --> 01:16:28,400 little bit but when the bottle is empty 1600 01:16:33,479 --> 01:16:30,940 the entire glass could rattle 1601 01:16:34,920 --> 01:16:33,489 and when it's not when it's full the 1602 01:16:36,420 --> 01:16:34,930 liquid is stopping it and makes it 1603 01:16:40,470 --> 01:16:36,430 making it rattle a little bit less 1604 01:16:43,160 --> 01:16:40,480 quickly yeah so you hear it lower or 1605 01:16:51,070 --> 01:16:43,170 higher but if you do something different 1606 01:16:58,520 --> 01:16:53,840 no the effect was the other way around 1607 01:17:08,330 --> 01:16:58,530 you see yours was slower ah will do so 1608 01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:08,340 do it again will do together there we go 1609 01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:10,650 so now mine is higher than yours is 1610 01:17:15,980 --> 01:17:13,050 lower this is because now we're actually 1611 01:17:17,870 --> 01:17:15,990 making the air move around and make this 1612 01:17:21,410 --> 01:17:17,880 sound not the glass so now there's more 1613 01:17:24,110 --> 01:17:21,420 air like moving around and creating the 1614 01:17:27,230 --> 01:17:24,120 sound and rather than here with the 1615 01:17:29,420 --> 01:17:27,240 bottle is half full there's less air it 1616 01:17:31,310 --> 01:17:29,430 has less time to move around and shake 1617 01:17:33,500 --> 01:17:31,320 the air and create a sound and so this 1618 01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:33,510 one would be higher than this one so you 1619 01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:36,090 get you can get two sounds out of the 1620 01:17:39,650 --> 01:17:37,770 price of one for example you can get a 1621 01:17:44,210 --> 01:17:39,660 high sound from one bottle from the same 1622 01:17:47,990 --> 01:17:44,220 bottle a low sound exactly and the low 1623 01:17:52,100 --> 01:17:48,000 sound if you tap it right yours I'm 1624 01:17:57,280 --> 01:17:52,110 tapping exactly and this will be lower 1625 01:18:02,570 --> 01:18:00,650 isn't science wonderful everybody isn't 1626 01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:02,580 science wonderful when you can use beer 1627 01:18:13,650 --> 01:18:09,330 first there's signs everywhere thank you 1628 01:18:16,590 --> 01:18:13,660 Mario now it was the one thing that 1629 01:18:18,450 --> 01:18:16,600 we're waiting for now is mari el 24 de 1630 01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:18,460 vere order is the Mariota for the beer 1631 01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:20,370 on me know is for the bus announcements 1632 01:18:24,750 --> 01:18:23,410 but we're in the wrong Club they're in 1633 01:18:27,090 --> 01:18:24,760 their own puppet but every now and then 1634 01:18:29,340 --> 01:18:27,100 from the deli just across over there 1635 01:18:32,130 --> 01:18:29,350 behind your shoulder we getting what is 1636 01:18:33,810 --> 01:18:32,140 it so Chanel food announce me Maura 1637 01:18:37,260 --> 01:18:33,820 which sounds better than bus 1638 01:18:39,180 --> 01:18:37,270 insensitivity open so I added the non 1639 01:18:40,350 --> 01:18:39,190 Australians here who has been to 1640 01:18:46,740 --> 01:18:40,360 Australia which Americans have been 1641 01:18:48,990 --> 01:18:46,750 destroyed right moving right along but 1642 01:18:51,270 --> 01:18:49,000 one more thing Richard I just thank all 1643 01:18:53,730 --> 01:18:51,280 the people that wrote to us yeah with 1644 01:18:55,290 --> 01:18:53,740 ideas I'm really great some of them we 1645 01:18:57,900 --> 01:18:55,300 couldn't use some of them are a bit rude 1646 01:19:00,090 --> 01:18:57,910 actually the last year she whacked 1647 01:19:02,070 --> 01:19:00,100 behind my face we said what's another 1648 01:19:03,810 --> 01:19:02,080 idea and people wanted me to do be in 1649 01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:03,820 all sorts of state of undress for other 1650 01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:06,970 access that was so yeah so that the best 1651 01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:09,130 ads the best one to come up with someone 1652 01:19:12,900 --> 01:19:10,810 said please do something with because we 1653 01:19:14,370 --> 01:19:12,910 say we're drinking skeptically so yeah 1654 01:19:16,110 --> 01:19:14,380 that was the simplest one we could come 1655 01:19:17,370 --> 01:19:16,120 up with exactly what something everybody 1656 01:19:19,230 --> 01:19:17,380 can do when they're drinking if you're 1657 01:19:20,220 --> 01:19:19,240 not you know finishing their bottle 1658 01:19:22,380 --> 01:19:20,230 familiar 1659 01:19:24,870 --> 01:19:22,390 I am just wanted I could just imagine 1660 01:19:26,280 --> 01:19:24,880 now thousands of skeptics are listed as 1661 01:19:31,440 --> 01:19:26,290 having their beer saying hey did you 1662 01:19:33,540 --> 01:19:31,450 know that if you well what what a 1663 01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:33,550 fantastic things that's been you know 1664 01:19:40,590 --> 01:19:35,530 what this is the first edition of the 1665 01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:40,600 think tank without dr. a team that was 1666 01:19:46,740 --> 01:19:44,650 that sounded good access so a big hello 1667 01:19:50,070 --> 01:19:46,750 to dr. H you really miss you and we know 1668 01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:50,080 you'll be you'll be in dragoncon of 1669 01:19:52,950 --> 01:19:51,610 course she's coming the dragon condom we 1670 01:19:56,670 --> 01:19:52,960 know she's going to be a town next year 1671 01:19:58,560 --> 01:19:56,680 right oh yeah so I want to thank 1672 01:20:00,390 --> 01:19:58,570 everybody for well I'm surrounded by 1673 01:20:03,510 --> 01:20:00,400 people here everybody for turning up and 1674 01:20:06,870 --> 01:20:03,520 joining us in the very first us the Las 1675 01:20:08,910 --> 01:20:06,880 Vegas type think tank we haven't seen 1676 01:20:11,640 --> 01:20:08,920 Elvis yet but it surely in imminent down 1677 01:20:17,160 --> 01:20:11,650 he was driving a taxi he's driving a 1678 01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:17,170 taxi back and until Nick's here at town 1679 01:20:22,530 --> 01:20:19,690 everybody cheers and thanks for being in 1680 01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:22,540 the think tank cheers and then a low 1681 01:20:33,370 --> 01:20:31,240 Ryan is a tequila 1682 01:20:35,770 --> 01:20:33,380 australia from leading our country all 1683 01:20:38,920 --> 01:20:35,780 the execs they might benefit for the 1684 01:20:41,050 --> 01:20:38,930 first time it's called our tissue marc 1685 01:20:46,150 --> 01:20:41,060 webb's good poll has he wow that's right 1686 01:20:48,190 --> 01:20:46,160 up here tomorrow morning right I heard 1687 01:20:50,020 --> 01:20:48,200 Australia declared at one stage punting 1688 01:21:02,130 --> 01:20:50,030 got a century and you're doing really 1689 01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:10,030 on the back up that's what happened the 1690 01:21:28,940 --> 01:21:11,930 last time we did it in the club where I 1691 01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:32,280 you're listening to the skeptic zone I'm 1692 01:21:38,040 --> 01:21:35,770 Brian Dunning from sceptile calm when 1693 01:21:41,010 --> 01:21:38,050 I'm not tuned into the skeptic zone I'm 1694 01:21:42,810 --> 01:21:41,020 recording thus kept I'd podcast doing 1695 01:21:44,630 --> 01:21:42,820 what I can to further knowledge by 1696 01:21:47,130 --> 01:21:44,640 blasting away the widespread 1697 01:21:49,980 --> 01:21:47,140 pseudo-sciences that infect popular 1698 01:21:52,050 --> 01:21:49,990 culture I've also compiled a 40-minute 1699 01:21:55,290 --> 01:21:52,060 educational video on critical thinking 1700 01:21:59,010 --> 01:21:55,300 called here be dragons at here be 1701 01:22:02,040 --> 01:21:59,020 dragons movie.com I hope you check those 1702 01:22:09,550 --> 01:22:02,050 out and I hope you enjoy the skeptic 1703 01:22:13,720 --> 01:22:11,950 well Stefan I just want to go back to 1704 01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:13,730 Las Vegas now I want to come with you 1705 01:22:17,890 --> 01:22:15,650 this time that was too exciting and I 1706 01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:17,900 feel terrible that I was here without 1707 01:22:21,640 --> 01:22:19,850 without going on well people were when 1708 01:22:23,350 --> 01:22:21,650 they met me they said in where's dr. 1709 01:22:26,140 --> 01:22:23,360 a.cian where's Carly and where step and 1710 01:22:29,290 --> 01:22:26,150 I said I'm sorry I mean that we had a 1711 01:22:31,870 --> 01:22:29,300 amanda rose and ran sagir it was great 1712 01:22:33,310 --> 01:22:31,880 they were there the rest of the scammers 1713 01:22:34,870 --> 01:22:33,320 oh where were they well you'll be happy 1714 01:22:37,870 --> 01:22:34,880 to know that I was actually in sunny 1715 01:22:40,420 --> 01:22:37,880 cans yes I had a little gig up there I 1716 01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:40,430 did a an award ceremony in conference 1717 01:22:44,470 --> 01:22:41,930 for it for a huge franchise he called 1718 01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:44,480 just cuts and their hair cut people yeah 1719 01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:47,930 I go there you do good i think a great 1720 01:22:51,970 --> 01:22:50,330 there and but they paid my way and it 1721 01:22:54,760 --> 01:22:51,980 doesn't five-star hotel i'm gonna be 1722 01:22:57,160 --> 01:22:54,770 four nights and cans so I I know it 1723 01:22:59,800 --> 01:22:57,170 wasn't quite as exciting as being in Las 1724 01:23:01,960 --> 01:22:59,810 Vegas blood cans is pretty nice too but 1725 01:23:04,270 --> 01:23:01,970 well banner just cut just can't 1726 01:23:06,610 --> 01:23:04,280 accelerate very cool yeah oh and one 1727 01:23:09,700 --> 01:23:06,620 thing before we go I don't Richard have 1728 01:23:11,950 --> 01:23:09,710 you heard of the bio disc bio disc why 1729 01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:11,960 they cost they cost about six hundred 1730 01:23:18,970 --> 01:23:15,530 dollars yeah round piece of glass yeah 1731 01:23:21,880 --> 01:23:18,980 and they energize water so you actually 1732 01:23:23,800 --> 01:23:21,890 you turn the tap on and you put the bio 1733 01:23:25,690 --> 01:23:23,810 disc under the under the tap and then 1734 01:23:27,850 --> 01:23:25,700 you let the water flow over the piece of 1735 01:23:30,340 --> 01:23:27,860 glass called the bio disc yeah and into 1736 01:23:33,400 --> 01:23:30,350 the jug and then it actually aligns and 1737 01:23:35,560 --> 01:23:33,410 attunes all the atoms inside the water 1738 01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:35,570 how did you find out on it because a 1739 01:23:41,590 --> 01:23:36,890 friend of mine actually written bought 1740 01:23:43,090 --> 01:23:41,600 10 it's ridiculous and apparently all 1741 01:23:44,500 --> 01:23:43,100 the directors of the company are being 1742 01:23:46,870 --> 01:23:44,510 sued for fraud for all sorts of other 1743 01:23:49,090 --> 01:23:46,880 things but one of the claims that the 1744 01:23:51,430 --> 01:23:49,100 bio disc besides doing everything from 1745 01:23:54,010 --> 01:23:51,440 curing HIV to your curvature of the 1746 01:23:57,250 --> 01:23:54,020 spine to your brain tumors it actually 1747 01:24:00,040 --> 01:23:57,260 makes you drive faster what makes you 1748 01:24:02,170 --> 01:24:00,050 drive makers drive faster and that's a 1749 01:24:04,840 --> 01:24:02,180 claim on there and it's so obvious that 1750 01:24:08,410 --> 01:24:04,850 this thing is the biggest joke scam ever 1751 01:24:09,910 --> 01:24:08,420 that's allegedly allegedly that'll 1752 01:24:12,160 --> 01:24:09,920 probably some people say it's so 1753 01:24:14,230 --> 01:24:12,170 probably obvious that it might be one of 1754 01:24:16,330 --> 01:24:14,240 the biggest scans ever but I check it 1755 01:24:18,400 --> 01:24:16,340 out skeptics are bio disc or just search 1756 01:24:20,439 --> 01:24:18,410 for it it's it's a phenomenal piece of 1757 01:24:22,819 --> 01:24:20,449 glass good heavens 1758 01:24:24,950 --> 01:24:22,829 definite nothing amazes me more in this 1759 01:24:26,569 --> 01:24:24,960 world except for being in the presence 1760 01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:26,579 of such great people like the amazing 1761 01:24:32,270 --> 01:24:28,530 Randi Phil Plait how bid life jeff Flake 1762 01:24:34,819 --> 01:24:32,280 and a big extra thank you to bart Farkas 1763 01:24:36,020 --> 01:24:34,829 at the j ref who organized i was there 1764 01:24:38,839 --> 01:24:36,030 as press this evening i was running 1765 01:24:40,910 --> 01:24:38,849 under years and he did such a job and 1766 01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:40,920 such a hell of a job organizing giving 1767 01:24:44,149 --> 01:24:42,570 you all of press interviews here and 1768 01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:44,159 this guy's here in this guy's like what 1769 01:24:49,279 --> 01:24:47,010 room shall use by linearly nasty great 1770 01:24:51,680 --> 01:24:49,289 work so and stay tuned ER i guess i was 1771 01:24:54,229 --> 01:24:51,690 at if coming weeks for all the tip bits 1772 01:24:56,540 --> 01:24:54,239 and bits and people absolutely from tam 1773 01:24:58,370 --> 01:24:56,550 seven you bet and and and thanks for 1774 01:24:59,930 --> 01:24:58,380 sticking with us with the skeptic zone 1775 01:25:01,430 --> 01:24:59,940 because the more you stick with us the 1776 01:25:03,740 --> 01:25:01,440 more great things happen and more we 1777 01:25:05,930 --> 01:25:03,750 stick together oh yes it's a wonderful 1778 01:25:11,899 --> 01:25:05,940 fuzzy feeling see in a couple weeks step 1779 01:25:15,729 --> 01:25:11,909 see Richard by I you've been listening 1780 01:25:19,970 --> 01:25:15,739 to the skeptic zone visit our website at 1781 01:25:23,950 --> 01:25:19,980 WWF digs on TV for comments contacts and 1782 01:25:23,960 --> 01:25:28,129 it's